I thought the 10k rule is about skill and not about creativity?
Creativity Is Much More Than 10k Hours of Deliberate Practice
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#53I make a youtube video every day as part of a do-a-thing-for-100-days project. I've learned a lot from it but one of the key takeaways was that I have much, much more creative energy than I thought (I was really worried I would run out of stories to tell at day 20 or something). The 12 points the author listed seemed accurate but they never really reached a meaningful conclusion. My advice for anyone considering unde…
Thank you for sharing your videos, they are a lot of fun!
Sure thing, happy to :)
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But when I knew how to express ideas, for some reason I had an easier time coming up with those ideas in the first place. That's the rub, being creative is not worth much if you don't have the necessary skills and technique (practice practice practice!) to express yourself.
I think this is less true than you think especially after seeing documentaries inside the world of many high-profile artists. In many real-world cases, creativity is closer to direction and composition than the nuts and bolts technique. This is especially true for works that grow in scale beyond a single practitioner. Modern artists have studios and contractors that actually do e.g. metal casting, modern musicians us…
> IMHO creativity is about decision making - its closer to "taste" and doesn't require skill to be a unique and special talent in itself. Its a bit like the Jobs/Woz divide.
I think you're talking about something other than creativity. Architects are not bricklayers, that's the subject of the allographic/autographic distinction made by Nelson Goodman, but it really is orthogonal to creativity.
Creativity is generally understood to be about fluency, flexibility and originality of ideas. (The Wikipedia page is pretty extensive.) Skill and taste are different and certainly do each contribute to the value of works of art, but not necessarily in a creative way.
Like the work of a prolific artist in a busy studio full of assistants, cooking (for example) involves both skill and (literally) taste. Artists who work like that are actually precluded from certain types of creativity, by their own reputation and the expectations of their market, even if their work is selling well. Much like a chef. I think that's the problem with your notion of what creativity is. You are mistaking aesthetic productivity for originality and the other things that mark actual creativity.
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#55> the techniques of deliberate practice are most applicable to "highly developed fields" such as chess, sports, and musical performance in which the rules of the domain are well established and passed on from generation to generation Bummer. I was hoping to find some shortcuts to learning how to play the guitar. I've had one for 20 years now and still can't play it.
Spend five minutes a day playing it. Seriously.
I really want to. Sometimes I do, for a month or two, then I don't touch it for 8 months. I've taken weekly lessons two different times, once for 6 months and once for 3 months. I even bought a guitar that I keep in my office at work. My coworkers come in and play it far more than I do.
I just have too many things that I want to do. If I could afford to retire, I could easily keep busy the rest of my life doing all the things I wish I could do right now.
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#56> the techniques of deliberate practice are most applicable to "highly developed fields" such as chess, sports, and musical performance in which the rules of the domain are well established and passed on from generation to generation Bummer. I was hoping to find some shortcuts to learning how to play the guitar. I've had one for 20 years now and still can't play it.
I started in 2000. I have a basic competence and can accompany myself and compose pop songs, but I somewhat regret not having put in the time up front in lessons and deliberate practice. I could have had 15 years of compound interest. That said, I do play every day, or mostly, for love of the game. Life's too short to work or play without love.
> Life's too short to work or play without love.
Amen to that. My problem is that there are too many things that I do for love of the game. I want to spend more time reading, and drawing, and painting, and carving, and tinkering, and gaming, and gardening, and blacksmithing, and cycling, and motorcycling, and writing, and paddleboarding, and traveling, and catching up on TV, playing boardgames with my kids, going to movies with my wife, and cooking, and skating, and lifting weights, and playing softball, and walking my dog, and working on my house, and calligraphy, and on and on and on...
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spend five minutes a day playing it. Seriously.
I really want to. Sometimes I do, for a month or two, then I don't touch it for 8 months. I've taken weekly lessons two different times, once for 6 months and once for 3 months. I even bought a guitar that I keep in my office at work. My coworkers come in and play it far more than I do. I just have too many things that I want to do. If I could afford to retire, I could easily keep busy the rest of my life doing all t…
Five minutes is something you can afford to spend even if you are very busy. Don't give me any more excuses. Instead of replying to this comment, spend the two minutes it would take to get off hacker news and play a few notes.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want to. Sometimes I do, for a month or two, then I don't touch it for 8 months. I've taken weekly lessons two different times, once for 6 months and once for 3 months. I even bought a guitar that I keep in my office at work. My coworkers come in and play it far more than I do. I just have too many things that I want to do. If I could afford to retire, I could easily keep busy the rest of my life doing all t…
Five minutes is something you can afford to spend even if you are very busy. Don't give me any more excuses. Instead of replying to this comment, spend the two minutes it would take to get off hacker news and play a few notes.
So I just spent 5 minutes playing a few scales. While I was doing that, I wasn't reading the book I'm almost finished, or writing in my journal, or thinking about side project I have going on, or emailing a friend that I haven't spoken to in a few months, or taking a short walk, or making a cup of tea, or making lunch plans with my wife, or sketching, or desoldering a bad relay in my espresso machine, or generally making 5 minutes of progress on any other hobby or project I have.
Now I probably won't touch my guitar again for another 3 months because the 5 minutes I can spare tomorrow will be spent reading or coloring a sketch I made or some other thing that I enjoy working on. You might point out that I'm wasting my time reading HN, but I get a great deal of enjoyment out of the things I find on HN.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I started in 2000. I have a basic competence and can accompany myself and compose pop songs, but I somewhat regret not having put in the time up front in lessons and deliberate practice. I could have had 15 years of compound interest. That said, I do play every day, or mostly, for love of the game. Life's too short to work or play without love.
> Life's too short to work or play without love. Amen to that. My problem is that there are too many things that I do for love of the game. I want to spend more time reading, and drawing, and painting, and carving, and tinkering, and gaming, and gardening, and blacksmithing, and cycling, and motorcycling, and writing, and paddleboarding, and traveling, and catching up on TV, playing boardgames with my kids, going to…
I had a year like that, 2014. I had four specific goals: write an album of music, create a video game, write a novel, and continue my chronological reread of Stephen King.
By the end of the year, I had written 60 pages and read one of the Stephen King books.
In 2015 I doubled down on music, and recorded 10 songs.