Moreover, to keep the beam tightly focused on one probe at a time would require an adaptive optics system that compensated for atmospheric turbulence — something astronomers know how to do over a span of 10 meters, the size of a big telescope mirror now, but not over a mile. Would it be easier just to put the lasers on the moon?
A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away
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Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away
#52Does that mean that the US will be the winning civilization?
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#53So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…
A laser capable of propelling an interstellar probe is also a mighty space weapon. Some people proposed constructing that on the far side of the Moon so that it hass less of a chance of being used as against Earth targets (intentionally or by accident).
Yes, but maybe it could also give us the technology to quickly deflect perilous asteroids... ?
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#54This project is barely physically and economically plausible. Its not a question of scaling, or engineering. The physics just don't work.
We have a way to get a space craft to 20% of C. Its called Project Orion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propu...
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#55I wonder what plans they have for communicating with a probe light-years away. Consider New Horizons. It has a power budget and antenna gain way beyond something that can be crammed into a few grams. Yet, the bit rate is so low it's still sending back data it gathered in 2015 from an encounter mere light-hours away. Even if the laser propulsion aspect of this works out, I think communicating with something that far a…
“For a 4m sail, for example, the diffraction limit spot size on Earth would be on order of 1000m. A kilometer-scale receiving array would intercept 10-14 of the transmitted signal. The main challenge is to use the sail as diffraction limited optics for the laser communication system. This would be achieved by shaping the sail into a ‘Fresnel lens’ upon approach to the target. The sail structure could be different at the launch and communication phases. In order to maintain a high transmission through the Earth’s atmosphere, the communication would need to operate at a wavelength shorter than that used by the launch laser system, due to the Doppler shift of the nanocraft relative to the Earth.”
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#56So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…
And how does a device weighing a few grams emit a signal capable of detection back on earth? The Voyager probes are over half a light-day from earth but they have rather large antennas.
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#57It seems to me that the accuracy required to aim an unguided projectile anywhere near the target stars will be impossible. They'll fly by pretty far. At what distance to Alpha Centauri does an iPhone quality camera outmatch the Hubble's photos?
“The task of pointing the array is dominated by the problem of keeping the sail on the beam. This problem is defined by the width of the sail and the distance to it. As an example, for meter-scale sail size the launch distance is on the order of a few million km. The pointing accuracy required for beam stability at this distance is on the order of a milliarcsecond. There are several mitigation approaches that could be used to counter these effects. A model of the atmosphere, calibrated with radar, laser beam, and optical measurements in real time, would enable the required beam precision to be achieved. Targets such as Alpha Centauri are bright star systems that will inform pointing requirements.
“Monitoring the laser beam output provides the information needed to form the beam. The Starshot system would be very different than a conventional telescope, and specialized to its purpose. For example, most ground-based telescopes, such as the Keck telescope, point to within a few arcseconds and can track in a closed loop mode to better than 100 milliarcseconds. For the purposes of Starshot, a significant improvement on this precision is required. However, the beam synthesis inherent in the phased array system provides considerable fine-pointing capability, supplemented by closed loop tracking of the beacon on the spacecraft.”
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#58So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…
And where does the reflected laser light go? Back to earth if it's reflected 180 degree. And how does a device weighing a few grams emit a signal capable of detection back on earth? The Voyager probes are over half a light-day from earth but they have rather large antennas.
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#59So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…
The relativistic effect shifts the frequency by 22.47% for 0.2c.
Given a 445nm laser (the powerful blue ones), that's 545nm when redshifted (green). It's a bit of a jump, but that wavelength is still smack in the "solar atmospheric absorbtion spectrum window" -- you won't lose much of the energy in the atmosphere.
Reading this page diagonally [http://www.edmundoptics.com/resources/application-notes/opti...], I don't think that the idea of getting a >99.5% reflectance value for that bandwidth is that far off.
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#60So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…
A laser capable of propelling an interstellar probe is also a mighty space weapon. Some people proposed constructing that on the far side of the Moon so that it hass less of a chance of being used as against Earth targets (intentionally or by accident).