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Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#51

Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

rplnt wrote: post #35

I'm glad there's something. Chrome simply sucks[1]. Firefox is complicated[1], and even if you invest time, there are too many things wrong[1]. There's not much else (as in different). I tried Vivaldi many times over the last year, and my conclusion is that I find it unusably slow. They take direction I like, but they chose technology that is bad (but cheap). Maybe it will get better, I surely hope so. Another nitpic…

For me, apart from the slowness, the problem is the non-nativity of it all... for example if you enable the menu bar, click on an entry (e.g. tools) and then move the mouse left or right, that entry remains selected. In standard menu bars (at least on Windows), when you go left or right you navigate through the menus.

I'm used to all these little features of the native interface and if you remove them, my productivity suffers.

Also, no MDI. Although at least the devs did a good job including the "click current tab to go to previous tab" option. 80% of my use of MDI in classic Opera was to do that.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#52

Post by ponyous »

I really like it for a few reasons:

  - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources 
  - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case)
  - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#53

Post by rplnt »

piyush_soni wrote: post #42
rplnt wrote: post #35

I'm glad there's something. Chrome simply sucks[1]. Firefox is complicated[1], and even if you invest time, there are too many things wrong[1]. There's not much else (as in different). I tried Vivaldi many times over the last year, and my conclusion is that I find it unusably slow. They take direction I like, but they chose technology that is bad (but cheap). Maybe it will get better, I surely hope so. Another nitpic…

Just curious - for you, personally, what makes Firefox complicated? Just want to know people's reasons about what makes software look complicated.

Firefox itself isn't. But configuring the UI and getting some functionality in is. (Some) extensions are huge bundles of functionality, affecting things all over the place. It's not a fault of firefox, but firefox caused it by not having very basic functionality built in (namely tab ordering, cycling, ...).

Then there are frustrating things like how do I move the reload/stop button to the left? Why do have quite powerful UI customization when it doesn't allow such a simple operation?

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#54

Post by nice_byte »

foota wrote: post #23
nice_byte wrote: post #16

Its UI is made with Javascript. As if I don't already have a bad enough time dealing with sloth websites, they have to pile it on. Not even worth a try.

Javascript is plenty fast, I don't see why you shouldn't use it to power a browser.

It's not just about the speed of executing Javascript code. The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine. I've used Atom and it was a disaster, so I no longer trust any desktop applications written using that technology.

I think that if you're going to write a desktop application, you should either use your native platform's APIs or pick a GUI toolkit that can give you a native look and feel. It'll give you a fast UI that looks and behaves consistently with the rest of the user's environment.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#55

Post by tmikaeld »

ponyous wrote: post #52

I really like it for a few reasons: - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case) - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

You can do this with Chromium Extensions:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggk...

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende...

The great suspender is open source, Tabs outliner is not - but it doesn't require access to all your site content (It will require access to browser history though).

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#56

Post by Aoyagi »

V-2 wrote: post #50
Aoyagi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like pre-built toolboxes have some tools many people don't really want? Good thing people can choose the toolboxes they find the most ideal, even if it contains only a hammer and a duct type and a lot of empty space, isn't it? :) When Opera switched from Presto to Chromium, it was about as fast, but it was much lighter. Yet, almost every Opera fan/"customer" at the time was pretty mad. It was not because the…

If I recall correctly, Opera dropped even bookmarks at that point.

Yep! They brought that revolutionary feature back in about a year.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#57

Post by mateuszf »

V-2 wrote: post #47
dvdgsng wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to "understand the hype", as a) there is none and b) it mostly comes down to personal preferences. When you're happy with your current workflow using other tools - that's totally fine, good for you. But, you know, there are people out there who are really looking forward to an alternative Browser-UI that 1) is very fast, 2) has a lot of configuration/features the others lack and 3) does not require y…

> 2) has a lot of configuration/features the others lack Such as? I find it less customizable than Firefox or Chrome

Vertical tabs - lot of users want it, but chrome devs close the feature requests.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by rplnt »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #44
rplnt wrote: post #35

I'm glad there's something. Chrome simply sucks[1]. Firefox is complicated[1], and even if you invest time, there are too many things wrong[1]. There's not much else (as in different). I tried Vivaldi many times over the last year, and my conclusion is that I find it unusably slow. They take direction I like, but they chose technology that is bad (but cheap). Maybe it will get better, I surely hope so. Another nitpic…

Also try Otter Browser ( http://www.otter-browser.org/ ). It aims to replicate the feature set of old Opera, with the same idea of being usable out of the box, and it doesn't use as slow a technology as Vivaldi. It still is lacking some important stuff (such as passwords manager) but it's actually progressing at a very good pace considering it's practically a single-person FOSS project. On the other hand it's also We…

I follow them as well (mostly by idling on irc and posting major releases to reddit; I don't contribute). It's a nice project. Though I don't particularly agree with their priorities (i.e. recreating complete Opera 12.x).

For me Opera wasn't great because it had bundled irc/torrent/mail clients. I couldn't care less about those. It was great because it was stable, fast, small, memory efficient. No other browser was even close at that time (2012 they neded iirc?). Had all the things you want - content blocker, ui/input customization, great tab/window management, "inspector",.. and I don't even know what else anymore :)

I don't think Otter will be able to achieve many of those. Partially because it uses webkit and is in no place to maintain its own fork.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

#59

Post by V-2 »

mateuszf wrote: post #57
V-2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2) has a lot of configuration/features the others lack Such as? I find it less customizable than Firefox or Chrome

Vertical tabs - lot of users want it, but chrome devs close the feature requests.

Ah, ok. They are however available in Firefox as an extension, aren't they? Or at least that used to be the case

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

ponyous wrote: post #52

I really like it for a few reasons: - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case) - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

> Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Mini-windows? Pages? Panes? Anyway, we also have tiling window managers, OSX's very limited equivalent, full-screen modes that are very slightly different from maximised windows, Chrome doing its own weird UI for ripping a tab out of its window and merging it back again, Firefox's tab groups, one ordering for app-cycling, another order for window-cycling, one-or-the-other order for tab-cycling... It's all getting a bit too much.

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