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Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by Tloewald »

thought_alarm wrote: post #39
bsimpson wrote: post #24

Nice to have more visibility into which features are coming to WebKit, especially since they don't release to consumers very often. Bummed to not see WebRTC on here though.

They've been releasing nightly builds for over a decade. Easy to install, uses same Safari UI, and can be run alongside release versions of Safari.

True but they are kind of a pain. This will be a proper substitute for Safari as an everyday browser. Also, this seems to point to is decoupling safari releases more and more from OS releases, and that's a good thing.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by masklinn »

thought_alarm wrote: post #39
bsimpson wrote: post #24

Nice to have more visibility into which features are coming to WebKit, especially since they don't release to consumers very often. Bummed to not see WebRTC on here though.

They've been releasing nightly builds for over a decade. Easy to install, uses same Safari UI, and can be run alongside release versions of Safari.

The problem is that Webkit nightlies are absolutely not evidence of what the future version of Safari will contain, webkit is the engine but features are added and removed before it becomes Safari.

That the STP bears the "Safari" name and will be updated through MAS[0] and is featured on their developer site and has access to all the cloud features and shit from standard Safari is a much, much stronger signal as to what future version of Safari will contain.

It looks very much like an apple-official dev channel (chrome) or developer edition (firefox) for Safari, TFA even claims an update frequency about halfway between the Chrome Dev Channel (0.5/1 week) and the Firefox Developer Edition (6 weeks)

[0] despite not even being installed through MAS

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by chris_wot »

dkonofalski wrote: post #37
chris_wot wrote: post #19

So what is Apple going to do about fixing bugs in Safari in iOS quicker? I shouldn't have to wait for 3 months for awful rendering issues that entirely prevent me from viewing important websites to be fixed! Obviously it's unpopular to complain about Apple and their dreadful fix timeframes, but there are often thousands of affected websites and often Apple have a fix already checked in and tested. But Apple being App…

"Important websites"... because only the websites that you visit are important.

Well that was unnecessary.

I guess all these developers would disagree with you:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/13510

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by Alex3917 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #35

Programmatic cut and copy to the clipboard It’s now possible to programmatically copy and cut text in response to a user gesture with document.execCommand('copy') and document.execCommand('cut'). Having this ability may eliminate some websites’ last need for the Flash plug-in. --- :'( - So much pain erased in a single stroke!

Unfortunately as far as I know the text selection API is still broken on mobile Safari. At least as of a few weeks ago the JS events associated with force touch seem to randomly wipe out the text selection, so even if you can now theoretically copy stuff to the clipboard it's largely irrelevant if users can't actually select text in the first place.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by masklinn »

talles wrote: post #54

Chrome -> Chromium Firefox -> Firefox Developer Edition Safari -> Safari Technology Preview Am I getting that right? What about Edge?

> Chrome -> Chromium

Chrome -> Chrome Dev Channel. Chromium is a different product than Chrome.

> What about Edge?

Edge Previews? https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor...

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by yuhong »

Longhanks wrote: post #25
ryanjshaw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take them seriously when they release something that runs on Windows.

WebKit runs on Windows. It's not Apple's task to package it nicely for you. Chrome was using WebKit a long time, Blink is a WebKit fork. Both run on Windows.

I was wondering what is the current status of WebKit for Windows since the Blink fork for some time now.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by therealmarv »

masklinn wrote: post #57
talles wrote: post #54

Chrome -> Chromium Firefox -> Firefox Developer Edition Safari -> Safari Technology Preview Am I getting that right? What about Edge?

> Chrome -> Chromium Chrome -> Chrome Dev Channel. Chromium is a different product than Chrome. > What about Edge? Edge Previews? https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor...

Or Chrome Canary if you want a side by side installation https://www.google.de/chrome/browser/canary.html I think Chrome Dev replaces your Chrome Stable or Beta.
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