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Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by tmd83 »

X86BSD wrote: post #43
acdha wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consider that if something breaks at a big enterprise it's likely to cost millions of dollars in lost payroll while it gets fixed. Big companies would rather mitigate the risk and buy a supported and proven product. They trust it. One facet to trust is your personal career: as the manager who signs off on this, you can trust that if anything goes wrong Oracle will aggressively defend your decision — people, includi…

Im curious how many who claim the "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" thought process about paying for Oracle for their support or so they can blame someone else for being lazy and incompetent have ever USED oracle support. Waiting a week or longer for a patch with no work around is not uncommon, and not exactly something I would pay for.

Yup. I have never had much luck with support except sort of some big known problems or something where you can afford a lot of time. Most of the time you end up figuring out the problem or a workaround long before it gets pushed to some real engineer. And even when you diagnose the problem partially they will simply ignore you and ask rota questions and 5 days later give you the solution you have come up with in case they come up with one.

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by iamcreasy »

This semester I am taking a DBMS course and the instructor works at one of NASA's NSSDCA center in South Dakota.

He mentioned in that class that, this NSSDCA center is in the process of moving away from Oracle to PostgreSQL. The transfer process is going on for over 2 years.

Even the book we are following changed their focus from Oracle to MySQL from recent edition.

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by arethuza »

praptak wrote: post #13

Why do companies choose Oracle nowadays? I mean valid technical reasons, not being clueless or stuck in the abusive relationship of vendor lock-in.

One reason is that you want to run applications (finance, ERP, CRM) that are owned by Oracle and therefore require the Oracle database engine.

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by jl6 »

chris_wot wrote: post #27

Oracle is beginning to find they are in trouble. Here's a small example: I'm hearing from a fairly reliable source that quite a few large Australian banks are replacing Oracle (my source didn't say with what). They are citing the enormous cost of the licenses, along with difficulty getting adequate support without paying a fortune. My contact himself is in upper management of a large corporation and Oracle screwed hi…

I work for a major bank and Oracle is on its way out here. Trouble is, when it's running your general ledger and is tightly coupled to your core banking operations, migration to another platform can be a decade-long process.

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by chris_wot »

iamcreasy wrote: post #52

This semester I am taking a DBMS course and the instructor works at one of NASA's NSSDCA center in South Dakota. He mentioned in that class that, this NSSDCA center is in the process of moving away from Oracle to PostgreSQL. The transfer process is going on for over 2 years. Even the book we are following changed their focus from Oracle to MySQL from recent edition.

I'd be asking the lecturer to change yo a different textbook...

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by kafkaesq »

Hmm, this part:

It's poorly written in terms of Russian grammar,

suggests that rather than being a "rogue" effort by an overseas affiliate (which Oracle will no doubt try to spin it as, once this turd floats to the to the top of the English-speaking business press, as it hopefully will), it's more likely that someone directly with Oracle provided a few "talking points" in English, and these were hastily translated into Russian by someone local (i.e. using GT or some other tool, and carelessly edited).

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by chris_wot »

TheLogothete wrote: post #35
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They buy application suites like peoplesoft, Oracle Finacials, Identity Suite, seibel, etc and end up getting an ELA for the database. Once they get the shoulder in the door, they push to expand the database horizontally in the organization. Microsoft has a similar strategy with CRM and SQL Server. SQL Server drives their corporate success. Postgres vs. Oracle, etc is a pointless argument because it's answering the w…

The comparison with SQL Server is not very sound. SQL Server is MUCH cheaper. I would venture to say it is more performent and is on-par with features (certainly will be after the next realease). Moreover. SQL Server is not brute forced in the way you say Oracle is, especially with CRM. Maybe something like that happens with the ERP products, but much more mildly. The most important difference is that SQL Server has…

The main advantage Oracle has over SQL Server in my opinion is that Oracle has tablespaces and multi-version concurrency control baked in, whereas SQL Server has ONE TempDB and snapshot isolation relying on that one TempDB.

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by chris_wot »

jl6 wrote: post #55
chris_wot wrote: post #27

Oracle is beginning to find they are in trouble. Here's a small example: I'm hearing from a fairly reliable source that quite a few large Australian banks are replacing Oracle (my source didn't say with what). They are citing the enormous cost of the licenses, along with difficulty getting adequate support without paying a fortune. My contact himself is in upper management of a large corporation and Oracle screwed hi…

I work for a major bank and Oracle is on its way out here. Trouble is, when it's running your general ledger and is tightly coupled to your core banking operations, migration to another platform can be a decade-long process.

Yeah, but on the bright side once your excised Oracle and replaced it with something better Oracle won't be coming back any time soon :-)

Re: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies

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Post by kafkaesq »

jclulow wrote: post #42
rpgmaker wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * A number have been shaken down by Oracle sales reps who threaten a license review and potentially stiff penalties and litigation if they find anything at all out of order - unless they purchase software they don't need. Woah. So essentially Oracle's "sales" reps behave like the mob. How have they gotten away with this for so long?

They also take a lot of executives to strip clubs.

Well, we know of at least one occasion:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Strip-club...

Do you know of any others?

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