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Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:23 PM UTC

jamesfe wrote: post #43

random_upvoter wrote: post #39

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Interestingly, in Colorado it's legal for a company to fire an employee who has (legally) smoked marijuana. So even with legalization drug tests may remain a thing.

It's interesting, but taken through some lenses, maybe that's still OK? I've never smoked, but I wonder if I'd like my doctor to be high when he operates on me, or for an armorer to reassemble my rifle while high. Does marijuana influence attention to detail? Is there a way to ensure that people don't get high while at work, that they stay sober on the job? Anecdotally, from watching high people while I was in univer…

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Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by chefkoch » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:23 PM UTC

jamesfe wrote: post #43

random_upvoter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, in Colorado it's legal for a company to fire an employee who has (legally) smoked marijuana. So even with legalization drug tests may remain a thing.

It's interesting, but taken through some lenses, maybe that's still OK? I've never smoked, but I wonder if I'd like my doctor to be high when he operates on me, or for an armorer to reassemble my rifle while high. Does marijuana influence attention to detail? Is there a way to ensure that people don't get high while at work, that they stay sober on the job? Anecdotally, from watching high people while I was in univer…

With doctors my biggest concern would be their lack of sleep.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by pliny » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:23 PM UTC

caseysoftware wrote: post #32

> The latest data from the U.S. Border Patrol shows that last year, marijuana seizures along the southwest border tumbled to their lowest level in at least a decade. That does not mean there are less drugs being imported, just that less are being seized. I worked with the Border Patrol years ago and it was astounding how they tracked success: - When arrests increased, they celebrated that enforcement was working. - W…

I get that measuring the effectiveness of enforcement is inherently difficult, but isn't the number of arrests made far away from the border an excellent proxy for how poorly border control is working? You can't isolate yourself from drugs manufactured in-state or from failures of other border patrol units (or successes of drug enforcement away from the border), but you also can't fuck with the stats.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by jp555 » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:29 PM UTC

jamesfe wrote: post #43

random_upvoter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, in Colorado it's legal for a company to fire an employee who has (legally) smoked marijuana. So even with legalization drug tests may remain a thing.

It's interesting, but taken through some lenses, maybe that's still OK? I've never smoked, but I wonder if I'd like my doctor to be high when he operates on me, or for an armorer to reassemble my rifle while high. Does marijuana influence attention to detail? Is there a way to ensure that people don't get high while at work, that they stay sober on the job? Anecdotally, from watching high people while I was in univer…

And if she's been working 19 hours without sleep before your surgery? How would you know?

How about an eye surgeon that just had 3 big coffees? I think the fact that you haven't smoked makes your perception of cannabis' effects wildly out of step with reality. I wouldn't trust any of the sober university students I knew performing surgery on me.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by nostromo » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:32 PM UTC

cnp wrote: post #17

anon987 wrote: post #11

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Here's to hoping people realize and deal with the real gateway drug: Prescription opiates

Here's to hoping people realize and deal with the real gateway drug: Alcohol, that great destroyer of worlds, marriages, cultures, physical health and particularly the brain, time (hangovers, boredom), coping strategies (emotional pain), real pain (coping strategies), poor decision making (you know it), and so on. Start here, and come into it with a few entrenched problems, and sure enough you'll find yourself elsewh…

Alcohol has costs, but it also has benefits.

Looking at only one side of the equation doesn't make for fair analysis.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by JupiterMoon » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:35 PM UTC

drdeca wrote: post #49

JupiterMoon wrote: post #47

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Do you also refuse to trust people that drank a glass of wine with their dinner several weeks ago?

That would be absurd for someone to do, but, if someone wants to, well, freedom of association? Note: I am not strongly committed to this idea I am expressing at the time of this writing. I'm not even sure I am at all committed to it. I do think its a relevant position that seems worth considering, if nothing else.

> freedom of association?

Two freedoms seem to be conflicting here. Person A's freedom to do legal things in their free time and person B's freedom to not like the other person's choices. I can't stop person B from being prejudiced. However, I argue that person B should not have the right to control person A's legal activities.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by rl3 » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:37 PM UTC

jacobolus wrote: post #24

cnp wrote: post #17

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Here's to hoping people realize and deal with the real gateway drug: Alcohol, that great destroyer of worlds, marriages, cultures, physical health and particularly the brain, time (hangovers, boredom), coping strategies (emotional pain), real pain (coping strategies), poor decision making (you know it), and so on. Start here, and come into it with a few entrenched problems, and sure enough you'll find yourself elsewh…

Alcohol, in small doses (0.5–2 drinks) is a pretty good anxiolytic.

This. Problem is some people sober up fast after that little, so a continual low-level intake can be required.

That said, I've found I'm more productive with whiskey than without lately.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by lawpoop » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:38 PM UTC

jamesfe wrote: post #43

random_upvoter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, in Colorado it's legal for a company to fire an employee who has (legally) smoked marijuana. So even with legalization drug tests may remain a thing.

It's interesting, but taken through some lenses, maybe that's still OK? I've never smoked, but I wonder if I'd like my doctor to be high when he operates on me, or for an armorer to reassemble my rifle while high. Does marijuana influence attention to detail? Is there a way to ensure that people don't get high while at work, that they stay sober on the job? Anecdotally, from watching high people while I was in univer…

Is it legal for the doctor to operate on you while drunk? What if s/he used alcohol in the previous 24 hours?

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by bluejekyll » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:39 PM UTC

jamesfe wrote: post #43

random_upvoter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, in Colorado it's legal for a company to fire an employee who has (legally) smoked marijuana. So even with legalization drug tests may remain a thing.

It's interesting, but taken through some lenses, maybe that's still OK? I've never smoked, but I wonder if I'd like my doctor to be high when he operates on me, or for an armorer to reassemble my rifle while high. Does marijuana influence attention to detail? Is there a way to ensure that people don't get high while at work, that they stay sober on the job? Anecdotally, from watching high people while I was in univer…

This is handled through most jobs requiring that people show up sober to the workplace. The same laws/rules would apply to marijuana. You can't operate heavy machinery while drunk or high, though caffeine and tobacco generally aren't regarded in the same way.

It's foolish to think people will just throw caution to the wind and get high before doing their job.

Re: Legal marijuana is taking a bite out of drug cartels' profits

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Post by simplexion » Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:43 PM UTC

cnp wrote: post #15

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Pot is still illegal in Australia because, you know, it's bad.

http://www.thecannabist.co/2016/02/10/australia-medical-mari... > The bill that would legalize cultivation of Australia medical marijuana is guaranteed to become law, with the main opposition party immediately pledging support

This is annoying though because it is nothing more than a step towards legalisation based on pseudo-science (since there isn't any great evidence for the efficacy of cannabis in treating anything). Why can't we go straight to legalisation without all the wasted time and money used on the whole "medical" cannabis step?