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Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

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Post by gambiting »

Cyph0n wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

Why does his orientation have to be included when we discuss his ideals and motivations?

He(or she) literally said why in his(or her) post. If you are part of a group for which discrimination is very real, then you naturally value privacy laws much more.

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

#52

Post by mattzito »

Cyph0n wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

Why does his orientation have to be included when we discuss his ideals and motivations?

If your opinion is that his orientation influenced/drove his ideals and motivations, it's relevant to mention. I don't think the gp is arguing that's the only way to have those ideals.

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

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Post by stephenr »

etiam wrote: post #46
gear54rus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all a waste and show off as far as I'm concerned until they go open on everything. With this move, they will also waste very valuable developer's (crypto experience ain't cheap) skills.

I'm inclined to agree in that they can't really be trusted if they can't be thoroughly audited and all the lockdown is an obstruction to that. On the other hand I think they could really be doing good things behind the veils, and that could benefit very large numbers of people who don't have the knowledge or inclination to defend their own communications, (and anyone who has the knowledge and inclination but also the…

I'm a big fan of using open source software to build a business on - particularly BSD/MIT/Apache (aka "permissive") licenses - but the idea that "Open Source === Audited" is laughable.

How many huge bugs have been discovered in very widely used open source libraries/applications and identified as having affected the software for many years?

Would you be satisfied if Apple provided the option for NDA-sealed access to the source, allowing people/researchers to view (but not redistribute) their stack?

Edit: fixed brain shart (extra word)

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

#54

Post by 746F7475 »

benevol wrote: post #48
microtonal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

> While part of it may be PR It definitely is. The NSA has access to all this data anyways. They just need to get it nailed down legally now, as far as possible. Apple just can't be seen as collaborating.

> The NSA has access to all this data anyways

How so?

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

#55

Post by MichaelBurge »

This article seems more than a little silly. They blew up a single tweet into an article about Apple's corporate strategy in relation to the FBI.

What next? Are they going to dig through Apple employees' trash, looking for variations in the number of credit card offers?

"Apple Employees Load up on Credit"

"Investigators have uncovered a 10% uptick in the number of accepted credit card offers from key Apple employees. Speculation about Apple's poor recent performance seems validated by their own employees obtaining as much cheap credit as they can get before the inevitable catastrophe approaches. Leading VCs interviewed had this to say: 'We always recommend to our partners that they obtain credit during times of prosperity, so that they don't need to unnecessarily dilute their shares by raising money in a downturn. If you're profitable but don't need the money, it's a great time to at least seek a line of credit from your bank.'

Apple representatives declined to comment on this article, possibly wishing to delay the bad news until the next shareholder meeting.

Next up: Microsoft reallocates its purchases of employee free soda to 20% Coke / 80% Pepsi. But what are the impacts on its cloud computing business?"

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

#56

Post by threeseed »

stephenr wrote: post #53
etiam wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm inclined to agree in that they can't really be trusted if they can't be thoroughly audited and all the lockdown is an obstruction to that. On the other hand I think they could really be doing good things behind the veils, and that could benefit very large numbers of people who don't have the knowledge or inclination to defend their own communications, (and anyone who has the knowledge and inclination but also the…

I'm a big fan of using open source software to build a business on - particularly BSD/MIT/Apache (aka "permissive") licenses - but the idea that "Open Source === Audited" is laughable. How many huge bugs have been discovered in very widely used open source libraries/applications and identified as having affected the software for many years ? Would you be satisfied if Apple provided the option for NDA-sealed access to…

Heartbleed is a classic example.

OpenSSL was vulnerable since end of 2011. Fixed mid 2014.

And it's one of the most popular and commonly used open source technologies.

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

#57

Post by microtonal »

Cyph0n wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

Why does his orientation have to be included when we discuss his ideals and motivations?

Why not? He said himself that this gave him a deeper understanding of the struggles of minority groups:

Being gay has given me a deeper understanding of what it means to be in the minority and provided a window into the challenges that people in other minority groups deal with every day.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-s...

I think it is relevant to the discussion, because I believe that this is a much deeper motivation than profit maximization. Though, there are of course many other ways to reach the conclusion that privacy is important.

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

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Post by Geee »

Cyph0n wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

Why does his orientation have to be included when we discuss his ideals and motivations?

It is a matter that is very private to some people, and he gets that. Not all people understand at all what personal privacy means.

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

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Post by masklinn »

microtonal wrote: post #41
saurik wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, and along this path we've seen iOS integrate things like WiFi MAC randomization and website ad blocking.

I would say that this has been Tim Cook's narrative for a while, While part of it may be PR, I also believe that these are Tim Cook's values shining through. Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries, makes you value individual freedom and privacy. It's great to see this new Apple.

> Having an orientation that gets you jailed or killed in some countries

Cook was born in Alabama in 1960. For a long time, his orientation could get him jailed or killed in his place of birth. Hell, as of 2016 Alabama still is hardly a good place for people with Cook's sexual orientation[0][1][2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Same-sex_marriage

[1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462161670/...

[2] 13A-6-65(3)[3], though ruled unconstitutional (since 2003 and Lawrence v. Texas), is still on the books

[3] http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/alcode/13A/6/4/13A-6-65

Re: Apple hires one of the developers behind Signal

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Post by benevol »

746F7475 wrote: post #54
benevol wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While part of it may be PR It definitely is. The NSA has access to all this data anyways. They just need to get it nailed down legally now, as far as possible. Apple just can't be seen as collaborating.

> The NSA has access to all this data anyways How so?

You can't seriously ask that question if you have been following the Snowden leaks, the corrupt behavior and proven lies of certain very powerful government officials.
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