Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

docker.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 61 posts

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#51

Post by wstrange »

caleblloyd wrote: post #30
pramodliv1 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what's their business model going to be like? Freemium as in Nginx Plus? Pay for monitoring? Support and Consulting?

Kubernetes is pay for hosting in the case of Google Container Engine, and pay for hosting + support in case of RedHat OpenShift Origin (which leverages Kubernetes). Docker Datacenter appears to be pay for support based off their pricing page at https://www.docker.com/pricing (which just says call for quote basically).

To clarify: Kubernetes is an open source project that runs on everything from bare metal, VMs, cloud (AWS, GCE, ...) and container as a service (GKE)

i.e. You can pay money to have someone run it for you (GKE), or you can roll your own.

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#53

Post by sajiainikkal »

In my opinion it require lot of learnings to put Docker Data Center into production and it is still in the early stage. It is a good alternative for companies following everything DIY approach even for creating, deploying and managing containers. But for enterprises who really care about applications and looking for simple, steady and mature option for container based platform cloud foundry is a good alternative. It is more structured and matured platform compared to Docker+Kubernetes as well as Docker+Docker Data Center+UCP combination.

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#54

Post by Gigablah »

snuxoll wrote: post #41
lobster_johnson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a "security story" I've heard before. Surely containers make this much _easier_ than traditional VMs, because containers are designed (or should be designed) to completely expendable. To do an "OS upgrade", just rebuild and redeploy. If you're using a system that has rolling, verified, graceful restarts built in (e.g., Marathon, and I believe Kubernetes does, too), you'll easily avoid any downtime, which i…

Major problem is there is a substantial lack of tooling to handle this. Meanwhile, managing updates for all of my servers is pretty painless with the plethora of system management tools out there - puppet keeps all my packages updated from my local yum repositories and restarts services as needed (aside from critical ones like postgresql that require manual intervention).

One possible way to go about this is to use your configuration management tool to update your images. Ansible 2.0 offers a Docker connector which you can use to run a playbook on a container the same way you'd run it on a host.

The playbook tasks would look like:

* Start a new container from the image you want to update

* Using the Docker connector, run your various roles

* Commit the container to a new image

Then you'd push to your registry and redeploy your containers from the updated image.

I suppose there should be something similar for Puppet...

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#55

Post by shykes »

knicholes wrote: post #47
pliu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "Universal Control Plane" thing looks pretty enterprisy. I have to imagine they are ramping up an enterprise sales team now, with all the org changes that come along with that. This product sort of reminds me of Citrix and Xenserver.

I signed up for UCP and was contacted by a few guys at Docker to go over the features. It was an hour-long presentation. They wanted something like ~$1,500 per node. I'm still not exactly sure what a `node` entails. The salesman seemed extremely technical and was able to answer all of the questions I asked. Too bad their website isn't able to give me the directions for using UCP without me clicking on the "sign-up" b…

Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. Sorry that you had an issue on the website. I warned the team of your comment, feel free to email me directly at s@docker.com and I'll put you in touch.

Note that the price you mention is yearly. A node is anything you can install Docker Engine on. Typically it's a physical or virtual server. All nodes are combined into a swarm, which you can manage from the control plane.

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#57

Post by jonesb6 »

ahallock wrote: post #3

Between this, Kubernetes, Marathon, Amazon's container service, the tooling is overwhelming. I really have no clue how it all fits together and what a complete setup looks like (dev -> testing/CI -> prod). I'm using Docker for development, but that's where it ends for me.

Competition is great until you find yourself standing in the middle of a bazaar with no clue what the fuck is going on, how you got there, or where you're going to go next.

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#58

Post by rodionos »

shykes wrote: post #55
knicholes wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I signed up for UCP and was contacted by a few guys at Docker to go over the features. It was an hour-long presentation. They wanted something like ~$1,500 per node. I'm still not exactly sure what a `node` entails. The salesman seemed extremely technical and was able to answer all of the questions I asked. Too bad their website isn't able to give me the directions for using UCP without me clicking on the "sign-up" b…

Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. Sorry that you had an issue on the website. I warned the team of your comment, feel free to email me directly at s@docker.com and I'll put you in touch. Note that the price you mention is yearly. A node is anything you can install Docker Engine on. Typically it's a physical or virtual server. All nodes are combined into a swarm, which you can manage from the control plane.

Pricing is more than reasonable. If you add a backup into the UCP, it will be a steal.

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#59

Post by ArmandGrillet »

bliti wrote: post #23
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've written a report about it for a class last month and it may help you have a better understanding of Swarm/Kubernetes/Marathon: http://armand.gr/static/files/htise.pdf

Read the report and it was worth my time. Good reading for any systems person. Thanks for posting it. Suggestion: Please include a license if one was not (did not notice). Publish an HTML version.

I was in a rush when I posted my first comment, here is a Medium version following your two suggestions: https://medium.com/@ArmandGrillet/comparison-of-container-sc...

Re: Docker Datacenter – develop and manage apps at any scale

#60

Post by bliti »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #59
bliti wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the report and it was worth my time. Good reading for any systems person. Thanks for posting it. Suggestion: Please include a license if one was not (did not notice). Publish an HTML version.

I was in a rush when I posted my first comment, here is a Medium version following your two suggestions: https://medium.com/@ArmandGrillet/comparison-of-container-sc...

Wonderful, thanks. :)
Post reply on HN