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Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

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Re: Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

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Post by slashink »

junto wrote: post #48
circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

You could write a good film script here; how some secret 3 letter agency has gone rogue and has a long and complex plan to incite a couple of people to terrorism, making sure they conveniently die, leaving no witnessed. This shadow group then invoke the hearts and minds of the people, through the fear of a series of terror acts to relinquish their privacy rights, happily accepting a legal precedent to remove encrypti…

Basically V for Vendetta but with more tech aesthetics.

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Post by DonHopkins »

michaelt wrote: post #33
jfoster wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume they have found that person. It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority, but I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to.

If that's the case, it sounds like the FBI are being very careless with evidence and passwords to suspects' phones, even in very high profile cases. If they can't keep passwords secure, they aren't going to be able to keep this backdoored iOS version secure either.

No no no, you don't understand it from the FBI's perspective: they NEED back-door access to all iPhones BECAUSE they are very careless with evidence and passwords all the time.

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Post by criddell »

circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

> take pictures of food

Maybe that's why the FBI is so wound up over this. They often confuse hummous and hamas.

Re: Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

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Post by DonHopkins »

Vivtek wrote: post #42
yardie wrote: post #41

Why not "enhance interrogate" the shit out of the criminal until he willingly gives up the password? It works in TV, cinema, and, according to Cheney, in real life. Amirite? /s

This is of course a difficult procedure to apply post-mortem.

Bringing dead people back to life works on TV, cinema, and, according to Cheney, in real life (at least at Easter).

Re: Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

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Post by michaelt »

jfoster wrote: post #49
michaelt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, it sounds like the FBI are being very careless with evidence and passwords to suspects' phones, even in very high profile cases. If they can't keep passwords secure, they aren't going to be able to keep this backdoored iOS version secure either.

That's essentially Apple's concern, isn't it? That they will want to increasingly rely on this version of iOS, and eventually accidentally compromise Apple's security model?

Well, I assume Apple have multiple concerns - one is that the cops will leak the backdoor. But even if you could backdoor iOS in a way that couldn't leak, I think Apple would still oppose it.

Apple see this as the thin end of a wedge, establishing the principle that the feds can force Apple to put backdoors in iOS and Apple can't say no. The thick end of the wedge will have much wider scope and much less oversight.

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Post by jonlucc »

circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

It's his work phone, not personal. I can't believe there is anything on this phone worth getting access to that couldn't be obtained from another source.

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Post by th0br0 »

circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

There's this fun screenshot that Snowden posted which makes you wonder why all of this is happening in the first place:

https://twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512

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Post by mistercow »

imron wrote: post #25
jfoster wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but how does this confirm that? It sounds to me as though someone screwed up by changing the password rather than it being intentionally changed so they could request that Apple build an iOS with a backdoor.

Maybe the FBI should concentrate their efforts on finding that someone and asking them what the password is.

That won't help. The problem is that the phone is signed in with the old password, and so it can't do automatic backups. If they had turned the phone on near a wifi network before changing the password, it would have auto-backed-up and they'd be able to get at whatever was on it through the iCloud backup.

Since they can't get into the phone, they now can't do that even if they know what the password is (which they probably do).

Re: Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

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Post by junto »

junto wrote: post #48
circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

You could write a good film script here; how some secret 3 letter agency has gone rogue and has a long and complex plan to incite a couple of people to terrorism, making sure they conveniently die, leaving no witnessed. This shadow group then invoke the hearts and minds of the people, through the fear of a series of terror acts to relinquish their privacy rights, happily accepting a legal precedent to remove encrypti…

Why the down votes out of interest? Bad plot?

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Post by [deleted] »

junto wrote: post #48
circuiter wrote: post #35

What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?

You could write a good film script here; how some secret 3 letter agency has gone rogue and has a long and complex plan to incite a couple of people to terrorism, making sure they conveniently die, leaving no witnessed. This shadow group then invoke the hearts and minds of the people, through the fear of a series of terror acts to relinquish their privacy rights, happily accepting a legal precedent to remove encrypti…

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