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Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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Sooo tl;dr: is that chickens use more water, produce more manure, and tend to be butchered away from the farms, but the study was still correct in it's food to protein conversions being almost the same between poultry and crickets?

I guess I'd summarize the feed conversion part as follows: - Crickets are slightly better than poultry at converting poultry feed into protein. - Crickets are great at converting processed grocery store waste into protein; poultry can't do this at all. - Both species are awful at converting low quality food waste (a mix of chicken poop and straw) into protein. - The efficient feed conversion of modern poultry comes o…

Vegetarian protein is also way more efficient than any animal-based protein. Why do we need crickets then? (honestly curious, no criticism)

Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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Sorry to step on your harmless joke, but big insects can't breathe: https://bioteaching.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/gigantism-in-in...

What if we raise them in a pure oxygen environment?

heh heh heh

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All food may have protein, but all food does not have essential amino acids (which cannot be made by your body) in the quantities required to maintain health. This is why non-meat eaters must be sure to add certain foods (or certain combination of foods) to their diet if they want to stay healthy. Not bagging on vegetarianism, but the idea you can get sufficient protein by just eating any old plant is.... wrong. And…

> All food may have protein, but all food does not have essential amino acids (which cannot be made by your body) in the quantities required to maintain health. > the idea you can get sufficient protein by just eating any old plant is.... wrong. You're quite mistaken. If what you say were true, a warning of it would be clearly made by medical and nutritional authorities. Alas, no respectable organization says it, pre…

for a 120 pound adult....

But I weigh over 200 pounds. So 9+ potatoes a day from me to get all the essential amino acids. That's a pretty high starch to protein ratio and would be nearly my whole intake in calories to get a bare minimum of amino acids. Essentials aside, is that enough protein? Also at that point I would have fulfilled my daily requirement of calories but be still be short vitamins A, K, E, calcium, selenium, fatty acids and who knows what else.

That aside, potatoes are one plant. I don't dispute you can eat certain plants or combinations of plants to get all essential amino acids. To restate "the idea you can get sufficient protein by eating just any old plant is... wrong". It is. You'd be in serious nutrition trouble if you tried to live on just broccoli or lettuce. You have to carefully balance your diet as a healthy vegetarian and it is far easier just to add some animal protein.

For the record I still eat a "mostly" vegetarian diet. But not completely. And I feel a lot better and have more energy than when I did ate a full vegetarian diet.

Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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I guess I'd summarize the feed conversion part as follows: - Crickets are slightly better than poultry at converting poultry feed into protein. - Crickets are great at converting processed grocery store waste into protein; poultry can't do this at all. - Both species are awful at converting low quality food waste (a mix of chicken poop and straw) into protein. - The efficient feed conversion of modern poultry comes o…

> Both species are awful at converting low quality food waste (a mix of chicken poop and straw) into protein Wait - what? Do farmers really try to feed their chickens with chicken shit?!

That's pretty much how we got Mad Cow Disease [1]

    A British and Irish inquiry into BSE concluded the 
    epizootic was caused by cattle, which are normally 
    herbivores, being fed the remains of other cattle 
    in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which 
    caused the infectious agent to spread
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopat...

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All plant foods have a complete amino acid profile fit for human consumption. That's a really weird phrase. I guess suggestions that a protein complete diet is easier when eating meat are also a bit overwrought, but it's possible to eat plants and end up not getting all essential amino acids which is usually what is meant when "complete" is mentioned together with protein.

> it's possible to eat plants and end up not getting all essential amino acids No, that isn't possible. You could eat nothing but potatoes, or even mangoes, and still get enough protein. There isn't a single whole plant food which is completely lacking in any essential amino acid. How could it? Plants can't "hunt" and "eat" other plants - they must synthesize all amino acids themselves. The "complete protein" myth is…

That's pretty much what the Meji era Japanese Navy told themselves and that didn't turn out very well.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/eating-too-much-rice-almost...

Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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> it's possible to eat plants and end up not getting all essential amino acids No, that isn't possible. You could eat nothing but potatoes, or even mangoes, and still get enough protein. There isn't a single whole plant food which is completely lacking in any essential amino acid. How could it? Plants can't "hunt" and "eat" other plants - they must synthesize all amino acids themselves. The "complete protein" myth is…

That's pretty much what the Meji era Japanese Navy told themselves and that didn't turn out very well. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/eating-too-much-rice-almost...

Beriberi is a nutritional deficit in vitamin B1, not protein, which is ironically easily remedied with potatoes.

Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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> Both species are awful at converting low quality food waste (a mix of chicken poop and straw) into protein Wait - what? Do farmers really try to feed their chickens with chicken shit?!

That's pretty much how we got Mad Cow Disease [1] A British and Irish inquiry into BSE concluded the epizootic was caused by cattle, which are normally herbivores, being fed the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which caused the infectious agent to spread [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopat...

They were giving the cows feed that was salted with protein sourced from ground up sheep, of which there were trace amounts of neurological tissue containing the prions.

It's not unusual for farmers to add amino acids as a supplement to feed. It's one of the targets for high-nitrogen (amino acid) GM corn.

Re: Tiny Farms Raises Seed Round as Cricket Farming Heats Up

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I can not wait to see a 2000 pound cricket, bred for size by conventional means...;)

Sorry to step on your harmless joke, but big insects can't breathe: https://bioteaching.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/gigantism-in-in...

Yes, I am well aware of the spiracular limitations of existing insect breathing and blood, but a fictitious mechanism to modify the insects can also adapt their blood and oxygen circulation system to the larger sizes. Grasshoppers have nice hams - can you imagine herding 1000 pound gigantism adapted grasshoppers? What would you ride? Why Kangaroos - of course...;)
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