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well, photos do not become "incredible artwork" or "art" just because means of expression change. there are photos that are considered to be art, without applying such effects. and there are photos that are not considered to be an artwork. latter will more likely become more tasteless and ugly with those filters applied, while former don't need such filters in order to be considered the art.

Of course a bad photo doesn't become art by applying a filter. But artists have always used tools to create art. Now they have another powerful tool that lets them do amazing things that wouldn't have been possible a year ago.

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There seems to be a bit of confusion here between art and beautiful compositions. Art is not art because it looks nice or because it looks like something else that is widely accepted as "art". I see art as something produced by an artist combining genius + technique. Genius usually implies being original, but also stating what the piece of art represents in contrast to the existing ones (what boundaries it breaks, wh…

If a computer makes up a joke and it's funny does it count? I think it does. Art is a lot like humor, it works for people because it just 'works'. That is what matters. Not the hard work, and 'genius' of the creator behind it, that's just vanity. Would bohemian rhapsody not count as art if it was made up by a machine?

No, it wouldn't count. Because then we would have some thousands of bohemian rhapsodies. An art expression would perhaps be the whole bunch of works together (if you managed to give them a sense of being), and the artist would be whoever devised the program that created them. But individually, it would be have the same art value as those pictures sold in IKEA. Beautiful yes, but not art by themselves.

Edit: art is not art because "just works" or because it's likeable. Art goes way beyond what just works or the search for beauty. See the Viennese actionism for example: http://www.theartstory.org/movement-viennese-actionism.htm

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There seems to be a bit of confusion here between art and beautiful compositions. Art is not art because it looks nice or because it looks like something else that is widely accepted as "art". I see art as something produced by an artist combining genius + technique. Genius usually implies being original, but also stating what the piece of art represents in contrast to the existing ones (what boundaries it breaks, wh…

If a computer makes up a joke and it's funny does it count? I think it does. Art is a lot like humor, it works for people because it just 'works'. That is what matters. Not the hard work, and 'genius' of the creator behind it, that's just vanity. Would bohemian rhapsody not count as art if it was made up by a machine?

Answer depends on whether we're looking only at the end product, ignoring the process, but common convention is to qualify the end product name using words like artificial or drawn by an elephant to reduce confusion and to differentiate.

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"Being original"? That's what art is for you?

Name an art current which hasn't revolted against what was previously done. Every generation of artists tried to grasp things which were left out by the previous ones. As I said, genious, but also technique. What's art for you?

It's not because in the past (I mean 500 years ago) art was produced by doing something different from what existed that you should conclude that "art is about being original", even less that "art is revolt against what was previously done". These facts, if always true, are just consequences of another, much higher, goal of the artist.

It's because modern artists started thinking that _the goal_ of art was to be original that we came to this situation.

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There seems to be a bit of confusion here between art and beautiful compositions. Art is not art because it looks nice or because it looks like something else that is widely accepted as "art". I see art as something produced by an artist combining genius + technique. Genius usually implies being original, but also stating what the piece of art represents in contrast to the existing ones (what boundaries it breaks, wh…

Always Sunny's latest episode actually looks at this, haha. The decision of what constitutes art is up to the individual. What you have described is commonly accepted great art/ists, not art itself.

Well, yes you can see it that way. But then absolutely everything is art, which is not a very useful definition for it.

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Is it using this algorithm? https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style

most likely. Thought about how long it'll take for someone to release it as an app - not sure how they will cover the server costs for rendering the images if it's not done on device.

$2.99/user will probably cover AWS bill for a while, if users don't keep hammering it

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for all who don't know about the submission months ago. http://www.deepart.io/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511572

And now at http://deepart.io/ we have hi-resolution and the authors of the algorithm on-board. Thanks for mentioning us :)

Would you mind going into detail on how higher res is achieved? Splitting the original image into smaller regions, and rendering each separately?

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Two examples: https://goo.gl/photos/9Ujw2Ssb5EtQyvH59 https://goo.gl/photos/oHN4PqV6CRMgvssVA

Two more examples: https://imgur.com/a/fwrfe I've been slowly coming back to this app for weeks. It works well combining a photo with a clear focus, and a patterned one. A few weeks ago, they dropped the resolution of the photos. After seeing a preview of what a smaller resolution one looks like, I'd be happy paying extra for a large-sized one.

http://deepart.io/latest/

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There seems to be a bit of confusion here between art and beautiful compositions. Art is not art because it looks nice or because it looks like something else that is widely accepted as "art". I see art as something produced by an artist combining genius + technique. Genius usually implies being original, but also stating what the piece of art represents in contrast to the existing ones (what boundaries it breaks, wh…

In his book, “Playing to the Gallery,” the artist Grayson Perry attempts to answer this question. I'll summarize his definition because I found it interesting and challenging:

He begins by stating that it's now widely accepted that anything can be viewed as art. Seeing as that's an infinitely broad definition, he goes on to describe the following “scorecard” for what counts as art. A “yes” means it's more likely to be art:

* Is it in a gallery or an art context? * Is it a boring version of something else? Does it lack entertainment value? * Is it made by an artist? * Is it limited edition? * Is it admired by hipsters? * If you put it in a dumpster, would a passer-by wonder why an artwork had been thrown away? * Does it detain and suspend us in a state of frustration and ambivalence, making us pause and think rather than simply react? * If it's a photograph that's smaller than 2m and costs less than five-figures, then it scores negatively.

He says that the above tests aren't watertight, but if you put them together in a Venn diagram, the bit in the middle (the bit to which all the answers are yes) is pretty well guaranteed to be contemporary art.

I dislike the definition, but I wonder if it might be accurate. When I try to come up with a better definition, I wonder if the concept I'm trying to describe is something else—what art _should be_—not what art is.

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