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SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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Could someone explain to me why they attempt this? Wouldn't inflating a set of floating devices when it goes down the ocean an easier way of retrieving it? Or something other than this REALLY HARD TO PULL OFF maneuver? Genuinely interested.

Salt water isn't good for rockets. Once you solve this really hard problem of landing a rocket on a barge on a dynamic ocean you have a real competitive advantage.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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The landing could be made safer by something like cushioned walls that deploy towards the rocket after touchdown, to avoid such explosions. Think of a giant Christmas Tree stand like this: http://www.christmastreeland.co.uk/product_images/v/428/761_... . but with cushioned hooks on the barge. You can't always hope for all 4 legs to be in perfect condition, or that there aren't high waves in the ocean. That rocket is…

Here's a side-by-side comparison of their three barge landing attempts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA7RzJckvQ4

I don't think big, over-engineered solutions really look necessary with the amount of progress they're making. Plus, there aren't any cushioned walls on Mars, which is SpaceX's eventual goal - use this sort of tech to touch down there.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

#53

That was pretty much exactly what I expected to see from the video given the description of a broken landing leg yesterday. Elon's twitter comment about the ice is interesting because it adds some interesting twists. If the stage is icing up as it descends it would change the mass calculation, however it does not seem to shed ice when it lands in the video. He suggested that ice at launch may have interfered with leg…

In this case the ice would have been protected by being enclosed or mostly enclosed by the leg mechanisms.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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SpaceX actually got very close to sticking this landing. Sea conditions were reasonably rough, with 3-meter waves. It's also the first time SpaceX launches in fog, IIRC. Everything about the landing except the stuck leg seemed to be perfect. So IMHO, the fact that the rocket exploded is not the most pertinent fact about this experiment. The main piece of news is that SpaceX is exceedingly likely to be able to recover…

>It's also the first time SpaceX launches in fog Musk said the "root cause may have been ice buildup due to condensation from heavy fog at liftoff."

Ice buildup on cryogenic components has been a problem with earlier private launch attempts from VAFB. See [1]for a frozen main LOX valve that didn't fully open due to ice frozen out of humid air.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Rocket_Company

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

#55
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Could someone explain to me why they attempt this? Wouldn't inflating a set of floating devices when it goes down the ocean an easier way of retrieving it? Or something other than this REALLY HARD TO PULL OFF maneuver? Genuinely interested.

Yeah, I don't understand why they won't keep landing them on the ground like everyone else does. It's not like there's not enough space on Earth.

> Yeah, I don't understand why they won't keep landing them on the ground like everyone else does.

No one else lands first stages. SpaceX is the first to do it.

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

#56

The rocket exploded because it fell over, not the other way around. Had one of the landing gears not malfunctioned, it would have been fine.

yeah, it feels the title this time should be rocket explodes AFTER landing, to give a better feeling of how close this was

Re: SpaceX Falcon rocket explodes on landing after delivering satellite to space

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SpaceX actually got very close to sticking this landing. Sea conditions were reasonably rough, with 3-meter waves. It's also the first time SpaceX launches in fog, IIRC. Everything about the landing except the stuck leg seemed to be perfect. So IMHO, the fact that the rocket exploded is not the most pertinent fact about this experiment. The main piece of news is that SpaceX is exceedingly likely to be able to recover…

> Everything about the landing except the stuck leg seemed to be perfect.

And there's the issue: it only takes a tiny bit of imperfect to ruin a landing.

I do think that SpaceX is going to get to the point where they are recovering enough of their rockets to make it pay off. But there will probably always be a significant chance that some little thing will go wrong. Don't be fooled later by "we've landed 5 in a row" about that.

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