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Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by JoshTriplett »

bitwize wrote: post #50
JoshTriplett wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hardware wireless-off switch I have to wonder, why? The OS can do that quite well in software. > Latching lid More moving parts means more potential breakage. > They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thickness. Different customers have different preferences, but the m…

Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. If something can be turned on or off, I don't want to rely on the OS to do it. Give me a hard switch. This even goes for system power.

> Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill.

I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". It's good that command-line syntax exists, but that doesn't make it the only way, or necessarily the simplest way.

For that matter, some laptop models offer a function key to do the same thing.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#52

Post by bitwize »

totalrobe wrote: post #44
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

Did you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine

Nothing will come of it.

The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks.

Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#53

Post by frik »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #41
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

> replaceable batteries Have you ever seen the inside of a modern Ultrabook? Pretty much the entire inside of the case is packed with battery cells, with only a tiny sliver near the hinge used by the system board. People comfortable opening the case and moving around a pile of tiny components and connectors could replace it, but I don't see any obvious way to make such a battery modular.

I don't want an ultrabook. These slim cases and low-energy CPU are in fact slower than my 5 years high end old notebook. I want a new ThinkPad T series, a business class high end notebook.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#54

Post by JoshTriplett »

frik wrote: post #53
JoshTriplett wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> replaceable batteries Have you ever seen the inside of a modern Ultrabook? Pretty much the entire inside of the case is packed with battery cells, with only a tiny sliver near the hinge used by the system board. People comfortable opening the case and moving around a pile of tiny components and connectors could replace it, but I don't see any obvious way to make such a battery modular.

I don't want an ultrabook. These slim cases and low-energy CPU are in fact slower than my 5 years high end old notebook. I want a new ThinkPad T series, a business class high end notebook.

> I don't want an ultrabook.

Then don't buy the ThinkPad X1 series, which includes this newly announced model.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#55

Post by totalrobe »

bitwize wrote: post #52
totalrobe wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine

Nothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

Thinkpad still has a pretty hardcore following among linux users..

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#56

Post by bitwize »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #51
bitwize wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. If something can be turned on or off, I don't want to rely on the OS to do it. Give me a hard switch. This even goes for system power.

> Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". It's good that command-line syntax exists , but that doesn't make it the only way, or necessarily the simplest way. For that matter, some laptop models offer a function key to do the same thing.

Tell you what, let's make the machine a plain black slab and let software handle everything, including having a software keyboard.

Oh wait, they're doing that already. And the usability sucks.

I'm running i3, not GNOME. I want a damn hardware switch when I need to flick wireless off. I don't want to have to keyboard OR mouse around to do it. You want a plain black slab, go buy one. There's a market for what we want, and ThinkPads shouldn't be that plain black slab. Leave that to Apple.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#57

Post by proyb »

frik wrote: post #29
userbinator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other features they definitely need to add back before I'll consider buying another ThinkPad: - Non-chiclet keyboard with decent layout - HDD and network activity indicator lights - Hardware wireless-off switch - Latching lid They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thick…

> Non-chiclet keyboard with decent layout This. These cheap keyboards are very annoying. I hope Lenovo produces the old IBM style business quality keyboards for their brand new models. @Lenovo: have a look at your great T410 keyboard, build them again: http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-blhknq8/product_images/images/... (only the cursor keys are a bit too small, otherwise great)

I heard T410 wasn't popular, and there will be more hardware problems or known defective, look at most industry, I'm disappointed that the quality are getting lower.

Why would they practices selling replacement parts that could cost you half of the laptop price just to replace a casing?

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#58

Post by frik »

totalrobe wrote: post #44
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

Did you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine

Yes, I would buy one. But it's 6+ months and Lenovo hasn't started producing them.

In 2013 Lenovo annouced the T430, were they destroyed their ThinkPad brand with this aweful keyboard and touchpad, etc: http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/thinkpad-t431s-laptop-new-des...

And David Hill (the autor of the ThinkPad Time Machine? 2015 blob post) is mentioned in the 2013 article.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#59

Post by ekianjo »

bitwize wrote: post #52
totalrobe wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine

Nothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

> Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

So you probably live in California or something. The rest of the world keeps using Lenovo Thinkpads just fine. Just look at their sales figures, they are not losing ground by droves or something. Macs are no replacement for Thinkpads in any way.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#60

Post by serf »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #37
userbinator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other features they definitely need to add back before I'll consider buying another ThinkPad: - Non-chiclet keyboard with decent layout - HDD and network activity indicator lights - Hardware wireless-off switch - Latching lid They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thick…

> Hardware wireless-off switch I have to wonder, why? The OS can do that quite well in software. > Latching lid More moving parts means more potential breakage. > They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thickness. Different customers have different preferences, but the m…

> More moving parts means more potential breakage.

That's just patently wrong with regards to latching ThinkPad lids, as the latch is actually saving the lid hinge from wearing out prematurely.

(which is one of the reasons for my recent model downgrade)

> I have to wonder, why? The OS can do that quite well in software.

You can't think of any nice reasons why it may be nice to have hardware blocking software from reactivating all the antennas on your machine at will?

https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/34956/who-needs-an-ex...

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