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What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by idbehold »

oceanstone wrote: post #49

Interesting article, though it left out some context. The Sanders campaign tried to report this issue months ago [1]. Nathaniel Pearlman, the founder of NGP, now NGP VAN, was CTO of Hillary's 2008 run for president [2]. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the DNC, was campaign co-chair of Hillary's 2008 run for president [3]. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, has criticized the DNC for being b…

It wasn't the same issue and it wasn't even an issue with the same vendor (NGP VAN).

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by randallsquared »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #34
blfr wrote: post #3

This is OT but I wanted to ask before: what does the "Jacobin" in Jacobin Mag refer to? Presumably not the more genocidal fraction of the French Revolution which was my first guess?

No, it actually means exactly what you think it means: the kind of left-wing revolutionary who fully intends to see some bourgeois heads rolling. As a subscriber, I do think most of us would settle for the abolition of bourgeois class-status rather than bourgeois lives, when it comes to it.

How comforting.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by odonnellryan »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8

How on earth is stuff like that legal? Being interrupted in my life by robocalls, cold calls, calls from "statistic polls", people arriving unnoticed at my door to waffle about politicians, mail ads... that's intrusive-as-hell advertising. If I were a US voter, I'd do everything but not vote for anyone intruding in my life! And why is it legal for ANYONE to (ab)use the public voter register for ANY kind of gain, be i…

Eh. I've only ever gotten one call, from the Sander's campaign, and that was after donating: I gave them my number. I actually appreciated it... they reminded me of the debate, and were very pleasant.

Never had a mailing, a person at my door, etc.. and neither has anyone I know from my knowledge. However, it is definitely possible.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by tarr11 »

SolarNet wrote: post #48
tarr11 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanders personally took a jab at Clinton during his apology, saying he wasn't sure that her campaign didn't do the same thing, but providing no evidence of that.

How can he when the company in question and the DNC are both for Hillary. How can they know if there is evidence with out the cooperation of those entities. Hence why they are suing to gain access to those records.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking.

Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation.

Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data company for collusion and worse.

Seems like a counter-attack to me.

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Post by oceanstone »

idbehold wrote: post #51
oceanstone wrote: post #49

Interesting article, though it left out some context. The Sanders campaign tried to report this issue months ago [1]. Nathaniel Pearlman, the founder of NGP, now NGP VAN, was CTO of Hillary's 2008 run for president [2]. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the DNC, was campaign co-chair of Hillary's 2008 run for president [3]. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, has criticized the DNC for being b…

It wasn't the same issue and it wasn't even an issue with the same vendor (NGP VAN).

Could you send a source?

I'm seeing this [1]:

> Michael Briggs, a Sanders campaign spokesman, told ABC News that the “vendor who runs the DNC's voter file program continues to make serious errors” and that the “the firewall between the data of different Democratic campaigns” has failed “on more than one occasion.”

[1] http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/26373...

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by wernercd »

tarr11 wrote: post #54
SolarNet wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can he when the company in question and the DNC are both for Hillary. How can they know if there is evidence with out the cooperation of those entities. Hence why they are suing to gain access to those records.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking. Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation. Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data…

As if the public needs a smoking gun when the Clinton is surrounded by scandals from A to Z.

It amazes me that Sanders isn't going guns-a-blazing with all the Scandals and Corruption that emanates from the Clinton name brand.

Why look for the needle in a haystack when you have a stack of needles sitting next to the haystack?

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by themartorana »

tarr11 wrote: post #54
SolarNet wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can he when the company in question and the DNC are both for Hillary. How can they know if there is evidence with out the cooperation of those entities. Hence why they are suing to gain access to those records.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking. Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation. Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data…

Of course she was ready to move on. That would provide for maximum damage to the Sanders campaign and minimum investigation into hers.

I trust her less that I trust Trump, and that's not at all.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by skwirl »

A much different take from another person with extensive experience with the system in question:

http://iowastartingline.com/2015/12/19/sanders-campaigns-rec...

The person who wrote the submitted article is a self described socialist. The person who wrote the article I linked to volunteered for the Clinton campaign in 2008.

It doesn't matter how much expertise you have in a system when politics is involved. Politics is going to taint your view. There needs to be an independent outside investigation.

Personally, I thought the author of the submitted article painted a picture of a serious breach and then tried to downplay it by pointing out that it was not an even more serious.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by mvc »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8

How on earth is stuff like that legal? Being interrupted in my life by robocalls, cold calls, calls from "statistic polls", people arriving unnoticed at my door to waffle about politicians, mail ads... that's intrusive-as-hell advertising. If I were a US voter, I'd do everything but not vote for anyone intruding in my life! And why is it legal for ANYONE to (ab)use the public voter register for ANY kind of gain, be i…

The people in the database are registered Democrat voters. So presumably they consented to this kind of tracking when they signed up.

But isn't the point of this to help the campaigns identify and avoid people like yourself who would not welcome their advances.

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