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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by lintiness »

untog wrote: post #33
buro9 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that belief is enough to attempt something that more experienced people would hesitate to start. Naivety is a very good thing at times. I've seen average people achieve incredible things, and not because what they did was incredible... but just because they started work on things that no-one else thought they could complete. Some way into it, when enough progress has been made, people have rushed to give support…

Sure. But that belief is a genuine worry when you are talking about creating something that'll move a hulk of metal down a road at 70mph.

if we don't have laws currently, we sure as hell need them. i can't imagine letting everybody try their own self-driving software.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by imgeohot »

hias wrote: post #26
bosdev wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's sitting behind the wheel ready to take over, it's not quite the same as making a cup of tea while the car drives itself.

Yes, but what if his system suddenly decides to turn hard right for no reason while driving fast and he runs into another car, human, tree, whatever and he has no chance to react quickly enough? This is different to a PS3 crashing because he made some error.

The steering is massively torque limited by the car's EPS module(5x lower limit than Tesla). It can't turn hard right, it can lazily list to the right, giving you tons of time to react.

I actually have put a lot of thought into safety :)

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by metafunctor »

RealGeek wrote: post #41
jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

He built an impressive prototype, considering he hacked it together in a month. This is just the start, not the end.

I'm afraid this may be also the end, more or less. From this point onwards, things get so much harder and more labor-intensive, that doing everything alone seems impossible.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by lintiness »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #16
hamhamed wrote: post #6

> “Frankly, I think you should just work at Tesla,” Musk wrote to Hotz in an e-mail. “I’m happy to work out a multimillion-dollar bonus with a longer time horizon that pays out as soon as we discontinue Mobileye.” > “I appreciate the offer,” Hotz replied, “but like I’ve said, I’m not looking for a job. I’ll ping you when I crush Mobileye.” > Musk simply answered, “OK.” I have to agree with Elon here, Hotz is such a g…

I'd be far more interested in a piece of software for my car put out by Hotz than either Google or Tesla. Because the latter two are almost certainly going to keep it proprietary as heck. (Tesla has notoriously actually called people to ask them to stop tinkering with their car when they detect the interface has been connected to.)

you're sure to have a more interesting ride with hotz's software.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by username3 »

thedz wrote: post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

Typical twenty year olds don't read all the state-of-the-art papers on a subject before saying they know it all. It sounds more like he's caught up on the latest AI research and fundamentals.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ch »

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

I don't really see your complaint here. He did build A self-driving car, not THE self-driving car. Its an impressive hack as you noted, maybe it can turn into something bigger with more time and energy. So what is the point of shouting this down with an "ITS INCOMPLETE", it wasn't as if this is a KickStarter promotion or even a product. Geez. Get back to hacking.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by tptacek »

bcohn91 wrote: post #46
jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

Why is the first comment on HN minimizing this truly impressive project? Of course it's not perfect, he's ONE person.

Putting a prototype self-driving car on actual roads without understanding the difficulty of that project seems like a legitimate, substantive criticism, and I don't care how many people are involved in the project.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by Rubu »

timdorr wrote: post #42
hias wrote: post #21

Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him. Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

If Elon is seriously interested in what he can do, why doesn't he let him use the Tesla test track? That's a safe space for him to try out his solution and affords a control scenario to compare against MobileEye/Tesla. And I think you missed the part where he wants to drive for Uber, so he's also endangering the passengers in his car. (!)

Pretty sure that driving for Uber is a way to rake up more miles (training data) rather than actually test the system.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by tptacek »

Phlarp wrote: post #47
hias wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but what if his system suddenly decides to turn hard right for no reason while driving fast and he runs into another car, human, tree, whatever and he has no chance to react quickly enough? This is different to a PS3 crashing because he made some error.

Yes, what if, of the thousands of people that will die today [1](and tomorrow and the next day and the next...) in traffic accidents, one single sprained ankle or whiplashed neck was caused by, gasp , a computer. Your faux ethical hacking outrage is thinly veiled and entirely misdirected. [1] http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safet...

Huh? If he had skipped the computer and just taken a bunch of phencyclidine before getting behind the wheel, couldn't have deployed the same derisive dismissal about arguments that people shouldn't drive impaired by phencyclidine? Not many people are going to die today because of PCP either!
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