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Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by fredleblanc »

kbart wrote: post #30
snissn wrote: post #23

Isn't telegram just a really bad version of signal?

As far as I'm concerned, Signal is superior in every way. Telegram simply has gained a lot of publicity and increased its user base (which is critical for IM) thanks to E. Snowden.

A friend and I downloaded Signal to try it out, and just couldn't get anything to work. I'm on iOS 8, the app would just crash anytime I hit any button to make an action (send a message, even delete my account). On his end (he was on iOS 9), it said it connected to me, but his messages just got lost in the ether in between us.

I mean, I'm a technical guy. I don't understand what either of us was doing wrong. Have you seen anything like this in your experience?

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by Grazester »

brainburn wrote: post #27
NameNickHN wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pushing my friends to telegram Do you have any suggestions on how to do that? The People I know either think Whatsapp is gods gift to mankind and won't switch or they can't use anything else because the people they interact with think it's gods gift to mankind and won't switch. I find it pretty hard to break that cycle.

Uhm, decent support on all your devices? (there's even a commandline client). Versus that ridiculous hack where you can whatsapp in the browser, provided you scan a qr code and have the phone on the same network.

Your phone does not need to be on the same network!!!! I have my phone in front of me right now at work and I remoting into my home computer(Chrome remote desktop) and using the web client.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by toyg »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #48
toyg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't work with Android, but java code is usually visible after decompilation. Unless there is specific obfuscation tech being used, you should assume all your java code can be seen by others.

Yes, the "code" is - it has to be in order for it to be executed. My point is that method variable names are not normally visible.

I'm not sure I follow -- this is what comes up from a random commercial project (I don't believe it's a debug build): http://i.imgur.com/OhdNC5A.png

What part would you refer to as "method variable name"?

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by tpinto »

kccqzy wrote: post #33
brainburn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, decent support on all your devices? (there's even a commandline client). Versus that ridiculous hack where you can whatsapp in the browser, provided you scan a qr code and have the phone on the same network.

I don't think WhatsApp Web is a ridiculous hack. Instead I think it's quite an ingenious hack to allow you to use a computer to send and receive messages without 1) dealing with the pesky message synchronisation issues that plague iMessage, and 2) having the server store all messages. And your phone only needs to be connected to the Internet, not necessarily on the same network. Regarding the use of QR code, I think…

Have you even tried Telegram on the Web? It's clearly superior and yes, WhatsApp's solution feels like a nasty hack when compared to it. Also, didn't get that mention to iMessage.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by izacus »

gkfasdfasdf wrote: post #35

According to the Telegram FAQ [1] the Telegram Facebook page [2] has been taken down as well. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#facebook [2] https://www.facebook.com/tlgrm

This is IMO one of the greatest dangers of leaving those huge corporations like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. unchecked - they're starting to attack competition by leveraging their primary products (Amazon blocking Chromecasts, Facebook censoring links and pages about their lawsuits are two latest cases) and are working deliberately against interests of greater public (and capitalism itself if we can stretch that :) )

I think it's slowly high time the anti-monopolistic regulation looks into their business practices and starts considering cutting them up into discrete companies per market.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by plusquamperfekt »

I'm opportunistically supporting more secure messengers by "digital osmosis".

Next to WhatsApp I also have installed:

1. Signal

2. Threema

3. Telegram

And I will use those (in described order) if possible.

Threema seems to be comparatively popular in Germany, while Telegram is at least not among my peers and Signal (the one recommended by Schneier and Snowden) is only used by my gf (b/c I installed it for her).

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by izacus »

untog wrote: post #46
izacus wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it stops working as soon as the phone enters sleep mode or (if you're roaming or something) has no reliable data connection.

Except that it stops working as soon as the phone enters sleep mode Can't say I've ever experienced that.

Android 6.0 Doze mode actually distrupts it, I should have perhaps been clearer.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Post by plusquamperfekt »

plusquamperfekt wrote: post #56

I'm opportunistically supporting more secure messengers by "digital osmosis". Next to WhatsApp I also have installed: 1. Signal 2. Threema 3. Telegram And I will use those (in described order) if possible. Threema seems to be comparatively popular in Germany, while Telegram is at least not among my peers and Signal (the one recommended by Schneier and Snowden) is only used by my gf (b/c I installed it for her).

I love the idea of encrypting by default - since yesterday my public key is available on the usual key servers.

https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/

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