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Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by JupiterMoon »

zachlatta wrote: post #21
bad_user wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen a couple of nice tools integrated with Gmail and its web UI. The ones you mention are like that. However my problem with such tools are that they are not operating on standards. For one I wouldn't want to be locked into Gmail. But more importantly, tools depending on proprietary platforms usually have a short life. For example people loved Mailbox from Dropbox, while I was the one complaining that it only w…

100% agree with you, especially on the privacy concerns. But you have to pick your battles and, when we were looking into these tools, our battle was not the privacy of our company email or calendar.

I guess it depends how much of your companies IP is sent around in internal emails...

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by darrmit »

Fastmail is fantastic and their policies and pricing are fantastic as well. Really happy with them, and moreso after this story and the recent DDoS troubles they went through.

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by toast0 »

johntash wrote: post #52

Can you use multiple domains with fastmail? And do they allow wildcard addresses/forwarders? It's probably on the website, but I haven't found it yet.

Yes and yes. I'm using those features since I migrated my mail there from personally hosting an all forwarding config.

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by zachlatta »

JupiterMoon wrote: post #51
zachlatta wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree with you, especially on the privacy concerns. But you have to pick your battles and, when we were looking into these tools, our battle was not the privacy of our company email or calendar.

I guess it depends how much of your companies IP is sent around in internal emails...

Yeah, that's a good point. Nearly all of our work is open source, so we weren't too concerned about losing IP.

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by larrik »

_urga wrote: post #16
tiffanyh wrote: post #6

I'm going to repost an earlier question I had about FastMail ... It seems like everyone I read loves using FastMail for personal email/calendar/contacts. What I haven't found is many Businesses using FastMail for corporate email/calendar/contacts. Can someone compare FastMail (for business usage) to Office 365 and/or Google Apps? Original question, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511000

Office 365 at least has several well known bugs: 1. Silently dropping email (no smtp transaction bounce, not in junk, no rules in place) for a specific single sender at a domain, where email from other senders at the same domain is accepted. Hundreds of people have posted about this online with no fix or acknowledgement from Microsoft. 2. Overly strict hardfail SPF policy by default for new customers who have no idea…

It also kicks me out of my account multiple times per day. Then, if I get kicked out overnight and try to login the next morning, the form key expires (CSRF I assume?) and the page just stops working. The only way to login at that point is to re-type the address in the browser.

This is for Outlook365 using a custom domain for my work.

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by feld »

Khao wrote: post #49
sz4kerto wrote: post #5

"Only this one user had problem. But he had pretty bad problems, and I wanted to fix this properly." That's why I'm a Fastmail customer.

I submitted a bug report once and it was fixed the next day, I was invited to try it out on their beta version of the website and it was rolled out on all the servers a couple days later. These guys are truly providing a fantastic service.

Similar experience. Fix with inability to respond to some crazy github-generated email addresses rolled out publicly in less than 48 hours. It helps that I was able to tell them "I am pretty sure it's your regex on valid email addresses because I can reproduce it with other emails like $this"

I also recall they fixed an issue where "--" at the top of an email I was replying to was making the whole thing look like a signature and when I tried to send it was warning me about an empty message.

Re: Why CardDAV took so long

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Post by brerlapn »

zachlatta wrote: post #14
tiffanyh wrote: post #6

I'm going to repost an earlier question I had about FastMail ... It seems like everyone I read loves using FastMail for personal email/calendar/contacts. What I haven't found is many Businesses using FastMail for corporate email/calendar/contacts. Can someone compare FastMail (for business usage) to Office 365 and/or Google Apps? Original question, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511000

We tried using FastMail for our (small) company, but switched after ~8 months because we started running into deliverability issues and countless issues with shared calendars being unshared (or sometimes losing events). We also couldn't use any of the nice sales tools that integrate with Google Apps (or any of the tools that make managing calendars easier, like https://claralabs.com/ or http://boomerangcalendar.com/…

Integration of third party tools with Google Apps is nice, but having been burned using Sunrise and having had more than enough troubles using Gmail outside of the web app (such as via Outlook or Thunderbird) or native Android client the shine on Google Apps is a bit dull for me at this point. I'd be much happier working with services that use well-defined open standards that work with my choice of client software.

I know that Sunrise isn't a Google-apps specific software, but after: * a co-worker sent me a screenshot of a meeting invite I had accepted via their app (along with a facetious question "You get a new assistant? Who's 'Sunrise' and is she cute?") that makes Sunrise branding too prominent for it to be appropriate for a professional environment, and * finding out that instead of masking a response with my email address it had sent it from a generic "invites@sunrise.am"-style email but showing up as my name "Brer Lapn ", and having to then contact over a dozen colleagues who had been emailing the black hole address at Sunrise--- I'd say these services are less suitable for business purposes than the standards that Fastmail uses (and publicizes). Fastmail has never screwed around with my emails or calendar invites, and unlike Gmail I can use multiple different clients without it filling my drafts folder with autosaves.

TL;DR, if I had a say I'd be running our company tools on Fastmail rather than Google Apps (although deliverability is definitely something I'd consider a showstopper, I've never had an issue with FM).

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