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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by criley2 »

raverbashing wrote: post #31
llamataboot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam is not threatening the West's existence.

No, of course not We just have "Sharia Law" areas in the UK, honour killings in Canada, people getting shot in France and elsewhere because of drawings, etc And if someone disagrees I'd like to hear your opinion.

We also have Christians murdering abortion doctors, setting bombs and fires at clinics, Christian Sovereign Citizens murdering police on a near monthly basis, advocating for a theocracy in America (God above Country or Establishment of a national religion), advocation of Christian Law above secular law, etc, and we manage to keep our society from becoming a theocracy.

Frankly, if a few evangelical Muslims are capable of destroying the secular foundation of your systems, those systems were weak in the first place.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by mbrock »

jqm wrote: post #35
vinceguidry wrote: post #26

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You can try to understand the conditions that beget such practices and work to alleviate them.

What if the conditions that beget such practices are a religion? Then what do we do?

The guidelines for commenting on Hacker News ask you to avoid bringing up flamebait topics without having anything new or interesting to say about them.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by woah »

raverbashing wrote: post #31
llamataboot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam is not threatening the West's existence.

No, of course not We just have "Sharia Law" areas in the UK, honour killings in Canada, people getting shot in France and elsewhere because of drawings, etc And if someone disagrees I'd like to hear your opinion.

You're conflating tiny instances of violent crime with some kind of legitimate military threat. This is the cowardly chickenhawk mentality.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by TheOsiris »

amalag wrote: post #47
she_moves_on wrote: post #40

One frustrating thing that the author gets wrong is labelling Iran the "Gray Daesh." Iran has geopolitical conflict with the West, but it's a false equivalent of Saudi Arabia. Iran is a theocracy trying to control a population that growingly wants to be secular. Women in Iran go to university at higher rates than men, can drive, hold office, and vote. Life in Iran for a women is not perfect but is heaven compared to…

Amazing how one theocracy, Saudi Arabia, is ok, but the other theocracy, Iran, is bad.

I think the major difference is that Iran is openly and directly funding/helping Hizbollah. Whereas Saudi Arabia is more of funder of extremist beliefs but no direct funding of terrorist orgs

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by laotzu »

happyscrappy wrote: post #30
raspasov wrote: post #16

This is so on point. A prime example of the hypocrisy of western governments. Until we have leaders that truly do what they claim to believe, we deserve everything that comes upon us.

So hypocrisy justifies spraying random Frenchmen with machine guns? Think harder.

Torture and murder doesn't justify more torture and murder but it often creates it.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by adrr »

llamataboot wrote: post #15
notliketherest wrote: post #8

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This. The oil that turns the crank of industry and provides the energy that produces so much of every comfort we hold dear in the west finances the very evil that seeks to destroy it. Until we end our reliance of oil, the middle east and Islam will continue to threaten the West's existence. It's a horrible irony.

Islam is not threatening the West's existence.

@raverbashing since i can't reply to the child

We also have abortion clinic bombings, shootings and arsons done by christians. There was one recently in Pullman, WA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_...

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by raverbashing »

criley2 wrote: post #51
raverbashing wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, of course not We just have "Sharia Law" areas in the UK, honour killings in Canada, people getting shot in France and elsewhere because of drawings, etc And if someone disagrees I'd like to hear your opinion.

We also have Christians murdering abortion doctors, setting bombs and fires at clinics, Christian Sovereign Citizens murdering police on a near monthly basis, advocating for a theocracy in America (God above Country or Establishment of a national religion), advocation of Christian Law above secular law, etc, and we manage to keep our society from becoming a theocracy. Frankly, if a few evangelical Muslims are capable…

Oh I know about those cases (some at least)

"Evangelical Muslims" might be a misnomer, but I get what you're saying (and I agree mostly)

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Post by jsprogrammer »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #49
jsprogrammer wrote: post #37

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>That route meant a long drive through the boring part of the US. The US southwest is the boring part? You don't get those desert views anywhere else. Virtual drive: http://www.brianfolts.com/driver/#origin=stanford&destinatio...

I would imagine that a Saudi Arabian exchange student wouldn't have "desert views" high on their list of sight-seeing priorities.

I guess you are imagining wrong then.

Either way, the US southwest desert is quite a bit different than the Saudi Arabian desert.

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