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A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

Yeah a look into the Federation society could be interesting.

One thing that always bothered me was why people weren't basically just spending their time hanging around the food replicators and fornicating in the hologram machine. I can buy that the crew of a starship would be chosen for a strange combination of discipline and risk-aversion (not to mention Starfleet adding something to the water), but it seemed to me that there would have to be all kinds of exotic hedonism, resource intensive "art" projects and crazy philosophies on the surface of the planets.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

Sometimes the truth is depressing - thanks for the research

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Strange that CBS is going to be putting this only on streaming (CBS All Access). I'm not sure if that's a brilliant bet on the future or a foolhardy miscalculation.

You wouldn't like Star Trek on CBS proper. Shows on TV need to be mainstream to work, given how advertisement works. By putting it online, they're changing the expectations: it doesn't have to appeal to everyone. Rather, it can be made for a niche audience, which is good for Star Trek. That's why Arrested Development (in theory) can work on Netflix but not FOX.

>Shows on TV need to be mainstream to work, given how advertisement works.

Counter point, the extremely strong viewing numbers of ST TNG...

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

Yeah this isn't going to be about the core of what Star Trek is about: Humanistic ideas, science, and exploration. > a series like TNG will never be made again I have higher hopes than ever actually. With Netflix creating their own TV shows, crowdfunding booming, as well as cheap alternative movie and CGI studios popping up worldwide, we might some day see something even better than TNG. Edit: I mean, look at Stargat…

Movies and TV shows will not get (much) cheaper. It's not equipment that's expensive. It's people. I mean, equipment is expensive, but that can be mitigated. People can't. You need highly skilled labour in-front and behind cameras as well as material and (again, skilled) labour to build sets. Lots of people for lots of hours. Skilled people. Hours. Lots!

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nemesis was rather poorly received among fans of the series. Though honestly, so were most of the other Star Trek films. Out of the pre-Abrams Star Trek films, four were generally well received (2, 4, 6, 8). The first and third films have a few people who like them, but are broadly disliked. The fifth, seventh, ninth, and tenth are almost universally disliked. Even among the four generally well received films, only #…

Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Since it was apparently a little confusing:

  1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger
  2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan
  3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2
  4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales
  5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken
  6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords
  7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard
  8) First Contact: The one with the Borg
  9) Insurrection: The one where Picard openly rebels against the exact thing he did in that one episode
 10) Nemesis: The Wrath of Khan with TNG characters, by someone who didn't understand why The Wrath of Khan was good

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

I'll be the contrarian optimist: Star Trek movies are, on average, bad. Compare Star Trek: Nemesis to an episode of TNG - it's guilty of everything you attribute to the new Star Trek movies. The only reason it got a pass was because of the goodwill that the TNG show garnered for its characters. So I choose to believe/hope that a TV show isn't doomed to have the same outlook as the movie. I expect I may well be wrong,…

> CBS said on Monday, in a new series that will be introduced on the network but will be shown primarily on its digital subscription video service.

I'd love a new series, but CBS showing it mainly on their streaming service and not even on network TV doesn't bode very well.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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post #22

I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

I'm picturing a Federation that stumbles ever deeper into a dystopian nightmare while still maintaining a "we're the good guys and the end justifies the means"-vibe. And finally Kirk and bearded Spock meet their counterparts from the good mirror universe.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

It won't be your father's Star Trek of 1966 or TNG that we grew up on, or Voyager or Enterprise.

It will most likely be targeted at the youth and have a more diverse market to have more minority characters and more female ones. Remember it is not just the USA but the world they are selling the series to.

Each new Star Trek is marketed towards the young, TOS in 1966 was for my father, TNG was for me, Voyager and Enterprise was for Generation-Y, this new one is for the younger generation world wide.

It will sort of be like that Battlestar Galactica reboot Syfy did. Original fans won't like it but new fans will.

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