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Larry Lessig: I'm All In

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Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#51
The way to create "equality" is via the libertarian movement. Get rid of the rules and social safety nets. Hell, let all the immigrants in! If we have a truly libertarian society, than it won't be a problem. Giving government the power to chose who is rich and who is poor is not going to create 'equality' (whatever that means), it's just going to give the government the ability to handicap the able and enable the disabled.

That being said, I don't believe 'equality' is what we need. What we need it is a society that rewards those who teach, learn and work for the good of the community with security and dignity.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#52

> But it weakened the credibility of the campaign. Was I really trying to be president? Or was I just trying to make a point? Obvious answer: he’s just trying to make a point, the whole thing is a publicity stunt, and his campaign has never had and still does not have any credibility whatsoever. > But the result was almost no national media focused on a campaign that was actually more viable than that of at least two…

The thing is though, Lessig is completely right. Members of Congress spend 70% of their time raising money. They're not lawmakers, they're professional fundraisers. Think of a startup whose founders spent 70% of their time raising money, they would never get anything done. And since fundraising is now such an integral part of a Congressman's day to day, they have two classes of constitutes to think about: the voters,…

> This is why common sense laws that have majority support from the voters (gun control, marijuana legalization etc...) never get the traction they should. The funders don't want them, and they have the final say, not the voters.

The idea that most politicians are just empty shells that do whatever their funders tell them is just wrong. The truth is that it's cheaper and much more effective for funders to give money to politicians that already support their positions.

Lessig believes that if big money is taken out of politics that politicians will suddenly vote for fixing climate change, pass gun control, etc. But they wont because the ones that are against these things aren't against them because they are told to be, they are against them because they genuinely believe that they are bad policies. It's ideology, not money, that drives them.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

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Lessig is just as electable as anyone out there, but I am not sure he is much of a strategic thinker. He just gave up the one thing that made his #hackthepresidency style campaign interesting.

At this point & with the right campaign you could run a rump roast for the presidency and it'd have a decent shot at grabbing a signficant share of the vote.

I could name way more but Lessig top problems imo are:

He lacks conviction. That rump roast is more red blooded than he is. If you are running for president, you can't just expect to win based on having a few good ideas. You need forcefulness. Someone says you can't attend a debate? You don't kick back and watch it on tv. You show up anyway and have your supporters provoke a riot when they don't let you in. Hopefully the media makes a field day out of it. Arrested? Even better. It fits in with your narrative.

Lessig's next big problem is - He needs an angle. Lessig seems to be too principled to participate in the usual games that gets people to the oval. That puts him at a big disadvantage. If he doesn't like how the sausage is made, he needs a strategy or SOMETHING to compensate for the power the machine gives you. Trump is a natural showman. Rubio is handsome, Ben Carson is a religious nut. Each of these guys is in the race, but Lessig isn't. Until Lessig finds something that gives him some oomph, he might as well just curl up into a fetal.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

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> But it weakened the credibility of the campaign. Was I really trying to be president? Or was I just trying to make a point? Obvious answer: he’s just trying to make a point, the whole thing is a publicity stunt, and his campaign has never had and still does not have any credibility whatsoever. > But the result was almost no national media focused on a campaign that was actually more viable than that of at least two…

"I haven’t tried to engage with the political system before" Now that's just inaccurate, unless you mean merely that he's never run for office. He has engaged with the political system on numerous fronts over the span of a couple of decades, sometimes effectively, sometimes not. He's made real positive change in the world (possibly as much as anyone else running, if we're being honest), occasionally through political…

He’s been a lawyer arguing cases and filing amicus briefs w/r/t copyright law and net neutrality, and he’s been an issue-specific activist/lobbyist on those two issues plus, more recently, campaign finance reform. He’s also given a TED talk and written a book outlining zany, politically impossible proposals for tackling the latter issue, and he ran a failed single-issue PAC in 2014.

But that’s a very limited kind of engagement with the overall political system.

If you want to become president, you need to build a broad base of support, which means spending many years organizing, becoming versed in salient political issues, directly working on a wide range of issues with a wide range of other people, leaving a public record and earning credibility. You won’t be able to build a large grass-roots organization, earn endorsements from major institutional political players, build a donor base, etc. on pure message alone. The easiest way to meaningfully engage in a public way is by being elected to political office, but there are probably other possible ways for someone willing to put the years of work in (e.g. as a high-level executive department official, as a career judge, as a military general, ...).

Right now Lessig’s only reputation is as “that guy who doesn’t like copyright, and keeps grandstanding about campaign finance”, but he has no broader credibility as a presidential candidate. Lessig is not “smarter” or “more competent” than the leading candidates; rather, it’s clear that he’s politically naïve in the extreme, has no idea how to run a serious campaign, and would have no idea what to do were he by some miracle elected to high office.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#56

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The thing is though, Lessig is completely right. Members of Congress spend 70% of their time raising money. They're not lawmakers, they're professional fundraisers. Think of a startup whose founders spent 70% of their time raising money, they would never get anything done. And since fundraising is now such an integral part of a Congressman's day to day, they have two classes of constitutes to think about: the voters,…

> This is why common sense laws that have majority support from the voters (gun control, marijuana legalization etc...) never get the traction they should. The funders don't want them, and they have the final say, not the voters. The idea that most politicians are just empty shells that do whatever their funders tell them is just wrong. The truth is that it's cheaper and much more effective for funders to give money…

His political ideas have little traction because they're fallacious? I'm pretty sure that already counts as a rare achievement.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#57

I feel sad because I'm probably Lessig's ideal target audience, but I don't like any of this. I don't like that he backed down so quickly from his first approach, because of the polls. Isn't that what corrupt politicians do? I don't like that he is so vague about what he's going to do to fix corruption - I get it that it's about taking money out of politics, but how do you get there, especially when Congress is seize…

He's outlined a set of reforms in the 'Citizens Equality Act' and I believe he's started posting his policy papers on broader issues on his site.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#58

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Okay, but so what? Lessig has no chance of winning the Democratic Party nomination, so his campaign basically amounts to hijacking the primary to promote his message. Even if that message is “completely right”, so what? You think if Lessig gets a seat at the Democratic primary debates, he’ll be able to convince the Republicans in Congress to reverse course on campaign finance? Fat chance. The most likely way to impro…

Having a single party in total control like that would be destructive to our country, no matter how you spin it. Both parties have legitimate points and interests that need to be represented in our system. I have never understood individuals that buy in 100% to a single party and just can't fathom the idea of the opposing party having any good ideas that need to be heard. Radicalism of any kind is dangerous - conserv…

> Having a single party in total control like that would be destructive to our country, no matter how you spin it.

I'd argue it has been destructive to our country. Specifically with the way healthcare reform was passed. All democrats by the slimmest margin. Absolutely no wider support for one of the biggest changes in our country in a long time, as far as domestic policy goes. The result? More fighting than before. Complete gridlock on every other issue.

There is half a valid objection to say that Bush wasn't bipartisan either. That's not entirely true. He certainly wasn't bipartisan enough, but he certainly tried more than once (remember medicare part D? no child left behind which was also sponsored by Kennedy?). I don't think the President and the democrats are solely responsible for the bad blood. But I think a wise person would recognize that lacking ultramajority (>70%) consensus for a major rule change was a major contributor.

That's a long unpacking of why I agree. We have to find resolutions that not just a majority of people agree with, but almost everybody wants.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a single party in total control like that would be destructive to our country, no matter how you spin it. Both parties have legitimate points and interests that need to be represented in our system. I have never understood individuals that buy in 100% to a single party and just can't fathom the idea of the opposing party having any good ideas that need to be heard. Radicalism of any kind is dangerous - conserv…

Campaign finance reform is dead in the water as long as the Republicans control Congress (and as long as, per Citizens United , unlimited corporate spending on political advertising is considered protected speech). So if we agree with Lessig that campaign finance reform is the most important national political priority, then electing a Democratic majority to the House is the necessary precondition. (I’m not saying yo…

> unlimited corporate spending on political advertising is considered protected speech

Probably an unpopular opinion in this thread, but...

It has always been protected speech. The Supreme Court just declined to make a distinction between The New York Times and an arbitrary group of citizens (or even a single citizen) doing a one-off publication.

Re: Larry Lessig: I'm All In

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a single party in total control like that would be destructive to our country, no matter how you spin it. Both parties have legitimate points and interests that need to be represented in our system. I have never understood individuals that buy in 100% to a single party and just can't fathom the idea of the opposing party having any good ideas that need to be heard. Radicalism of any kind is dangerous - conserv…

Campaign finance reform is dead in the water as long as the Republicans control Congress (and as long as, per Citizens United , unlimited corporate spending on political advertising is considered protected speech). So if we agree with Lessig that campaign finance reform is the most important national political priority, then electing a Democratic majority to the House is the necessary precondition. (I’m not saying yo…

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