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IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

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Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#51

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

I have both a ThinkPad and a MacBook Pro and MacBooks are also doing it.

I prefer to override Caps Lock to be another Ctrl and I can't remember the last time I felt the need to use the normal left-Ctrl. The best part is that Caps Lock is here to stay because many users like to write ALL CAPS.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#52

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

I was confused as to why you found that unusual until I realized that this is actually only normal for those who use an Apple keyboard.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#53

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

I have both a ThinkPad and a MacBook Pro and MacBooks are also doing it. I prefer to override Caps Lock to be another Ctrl and I can't remember the last time I felt the need to use the normal left-Ctrl. The best part is that Caps Lock is here to stay because many users like to write ALL CAPS.

The Lenovo X1 Carbon actually did remove caps, instead putting home/end there. I believe it also removed the F keys, instead adding an "adaptive" touch strip. They undid it in the latest version. I wouldn't consider anything safe from the terrible designers at Lenovo.

It is fine that they wanna experiment. I just wish they'd sell a premium option with the old style, good, keyboards.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#54

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

You say swapped, I say its the correct placement. I use control much more frequently than fn, and its easier to reach it with my pinky on the thinkpad keyboard.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#55

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

I was confused as to why you found that unusual until I realized that this is actually only normal for those who use an Apple keyboard.

The mac has the command-key though, making the ctrl-key less important.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#56

It wouldn't surprise me if there were service contracts requiring continued manufacture of the keyboard to insure replacement parts.

Replacement parts are normally made in the same production run as Production parts. You just project the number of replacement/warrenty claims, and build 10% over that. Cuts the cost of dyes/run times. This is also why replacement parts become next to impossible to find 10-15 years down the line. If they are available they'll become outrageously expensive due to another company purchasing the rights to make spare par…

Engine parts from Level3? Like generators?

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#57

Looking up the driver info in Linux, it appears to be manufactured by Lite-on, who do indeed still manufacture Thinkpad parts for Lenovo. [...] So perhaps that's it: IBM is still making Thinkpad-style keyboards for its rack- mounted servers, possibly only in China. I'm confused: how does Lite-on == IBM?

Manufactured by Lite-on for IBM, but the arrangement is quite common. For example, Foxconn manufactures all current generation consoles, but we still say "Microsoft makes the Xbox One."

Mitsumi still manufactures a large portion of Nintendo's product.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#58

http://www.pckeyboard.com/ Unicomp is still keeping the glory days of the IBM Model M keyboard alive.

If only they'd make a split layout ergo design. One of the only mechanical ergos out there (available today) is the Matias Ergo Pro. And it's got a lot of dumb design decisions. Like dedicated copy/cut etc keys that just send Ctrl-C Ctrl-X etc. Bizarre. Strange placement of Ctrl that still, after months of usage, cause me typos. And a remote Esc that hurts more than normal to reach. Among other silly key placements. All of these for no good reason. A 20 minute revision during design and it'd be a perfect keyboard.

I'd get a Kinesis but they're so huge and 90s looking.

Most promising looking device is the Keyboardio, but that'll be a year or so.

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#59
post #54

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

You say swapped, I say its the correct placement. I use control much more frequently than fn, and its easier to reach it with my pinky on the thinkpad keyboard.

I agree with you that it's easier to reach, but it's harder to find the ctrl key by feel. That being said, I haven't swapped the keys in my bios, and I've gotten used to this layout...

Re: IBM is still making ThinkPad keyboards

#60

There is a special place in hell reserved for the designer who swapped the function and control key placement on that keyboard. Thankfully you can change it in the bios.

I have both a ThinkPad and a MacBook Pro and MacBooks are also doing it. I prefer to override Caps Lock to be another Ctrl and I can't remember the last time I felt the need to use the normal left-Ctrl. The best part is that Caps Lock is here to stay because many users like to write ALL CAPS.

I don't write in ALL CAPS, but I do have to type code where some constant like SERVER_RETRY_TIMEOUT will be in all caps. So I do use my caps lock key a lot.
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