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Evernote is in deep trouble

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Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Actual headline: "The inside story of how $1 billion Evernote went from Silicon Valley darling to deep trouble"

Current: "Evernote is in deep trouble" (overly strong, imo).

Also, I don't think the article supports very well the "deep trouble" description. It sounds like the company has plenty of money and continues to grow.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Evernote is such a great idea and in its early stage, it showed a lot of promise as the "trapper keeper" of all things digital. But as time went on, the client became bloated and there were weird products like Evernote Food that were pushed on users. I'm still using it for certain parts of my work, and I'm increasingly frustrated with the pop ups in the application every few days to upgrade to Evernote Premium. Someo…

Don't forget Evernote Market, where you can buy - for unknown reasons - light purple business socks from Evernote. Talk about losing focus if you have too much VC money.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Surprise. Evernote is just such a shockingly low quality product. First of all, as a note taking company, you CAN NOT LOSE DATA. EVER. I use my notebook for keeping data and derivations and lecture notes. Data is the most valuable thing in my profession, insights sometimes don't come twice, and lectures are often never given twice. So, the service already sucks. The client is buggy and bloated with features... Which I find somehow insulting since they're developing new useless features and selling merchandise that nobody needs while they're ignoring crucial flaws in their software.

Finally, and maybe this is something only scientists people care about, their pen input support is abysmal... AFTER acquiring one of the best note taking products for the iPad! How have they managed to screw this up so bad? OneNote gets all these things dead on correct, and that's why it's the standard in labs that keep digital notes. Evernote does not seem to understand the role their product takes in people's lives. I really hope they either shape up or go away so they can stop distracting people from what they actually want.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

#54

Evernote has me hooked on cross device persistent notes. And I will change to the first quality alternative that lets me import my existing notes from Evernote. Evernote still can't handle even simple non-overlapping changes on two devices. Every time I close my laptop I have to wonder if changes were synched. Especially embarrassing because superb open source code is already available for conflict resolution (git, f…

The thing I've become hooked on and am desperately trying to find a replacement for (just in case) is the functionality that adds a checkbox to a text file which can then be searched for with the todo: search parameter. For example "notebook:Pdcast todo:unfinished" will show me notes with things I still need to do (any unchecked todo checkbox will mean the note appears in that search)

I realise there's a billion and one todo apps out there, but being able to combine my ramblings and 3am thoughts with an in-line todo system is the killer feature for me. I think the next notes app that supports this will have to be a self-hosted option

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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As a Linux user I have never used Evernote, but Google Keep has cross-device persistent notes and I've never had even the tiniest glitch with synchronization.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Just curious, what do you need a native app for? I ask because I'm usually suspicious of any company that has a native app when one isn't needed. I usually suspect they have some ulterior motive, spy ware, malware. Etc. Plus even if they don't have an ulterior motive installing a native app is one more vector for having my machine owned whereas a web site is not. (the browser might be a vector but it's a given I'm going to have one)

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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From this article, I have some of my software business beliefs validated: - don't be afraid to charge money - release frequent, small updates. Users tolerate this much better than infrequent big updates with major changes - focus on quality. Every update should include several bug fixes. As much as possible, fix bugs before adding new features - focus. Put all your eggs in one basket, to some extent. - watch costs li…

> watch costs like a hawk. Operating in 10 locations sounds like Evernote let their costs get out of control. This one's so important. When you have some millions in the bank from VCs, it's really easy to default to "just spend it" mode. That can vanish so quickly, though... particularly when you're setting up offices with the intent of impressing potential hires and VCs.

I wonder if people absorbing this fact would also start recognizing that basing yourself in SF is a pretty good way to shoot yourself in the foot cost-wise.

You could probably open 3 different offices in 3 other metropolitan areas for the same cost as your SF office.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

#57
I switched to evernote when I switched to a Mac, but I never liked it much and it crashes frequently. Due to the 'switching hassle', I never got around to switching back to Onenote when it came out on Mac.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Just curious, what do you need a native app for? I ask because I'm usually suspicious of any company that has a native app when one isn't needed. I usually suspect they have some ulterior motive, spy ware, malware. Etc. Plus even if they don't have an ulterior motive installing a native app is one more vector for having my machine owned whereas a web site is not. (the browser might be a vector but it's a given I'm go…

I think native apps qualify as the offline-mode for a platform like evernote. I don't user evernote personally, but I do ride caltrain for ~2 hours every week day during which I try to be productive offline. For me that means having a local development database and usually some documentation for whatever I'm working on. I can easily see this meaning evernote native for a fervent note taker. Granted you could have a web app using local storage but that's unreliable at best and they already seem to have a problem with syncing..

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Dropbox + .txt files. Never failed me. Just need to remember to save before you put away current device. Can use whatever editing interface I favor on whatever device I'm using -- usually Sublime on my Windows/Mac machines, I'm only viewing on my mobile devices.

Sublime has a "save on focus lost" option, so you don't even have to remember saving.
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