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Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's fullfilled. The design of the average table, pencil, glass, fork, spoon, text-based book etc. is fairly standard (save for few ornamental details). That's not because its purpose is lost for design conformity, but because those are peak designs that work best for what they need to do. The only purpose design for government sites has is to be able to give information quickly and in a legible and accessible wa…

> average table, pencil, glass, fork, spoon, text-based book etc. is fairly standard (save for few ornamental details). Except that's the point of the OP's comment. These items actually do not have any explicitly declared standard like this design standard published by the government. Design became standardized through people landing on a good design, not through a government mandate.

>Except that's the point of the OP's comment.

I don't think that that's his point -- I see this as orthogonal to whether there is a standard or not.

The reason those don't have a standard is merely because they are so simple they don't need a full document to describe them.

And I don't see a clash between a "goverment mandate" and "design", since in this case the government mandate is exactly a design, that is, the work and output of a set of designers working for the government.

It's not like some random bureucrat that knows nothing about the web created the standard.

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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I encourage people to check out 18F's Github repos...there's a lot of useful tools and libraries, for starters. And then there's full projects to learn from, such as APIs and front-facing static sites. I don't know if they use any other kind of project manager besides Github Issues, but their projects have among the most active Issues activity...it seems that the USDS/18F team uses them as project discussion rooms th…

>A few years ago I remember finding a very obvious, easily fixable XSS vulnerability across all of the Department of Homeland Security sites...

I think if I were in this situation today, I just wouldn't say anything. Being ignored would be one of the good outcomes; I'd be terrified of getting chucked into court for being a "HACKER AGAINST HOMELAND SECURITY."

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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Hopefully this guide will be updated as time goes on to stay relevant as technology changes. Otherwise in a few years from now, everything will look outdated again.

Looking outdated isn't the worst thing in a world. I think National Forest signs look like hotel signs from the 1950s, and that's probably not a coincidence. What's more interesting is if this will lead to better maintainability. Since this includes code as well as guidelines, hopefully it will reduce the variation between various agencies' websites. That in turn should make future upgrades more uniform and therefore…

If you're curious, Forest Service signs are specified by Sign and Poster Guidelines Engineering Manual EM7100-15 [1].

[1] http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3810021...

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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Hopefully this guide will be updated as time goes on to stay relevant as technology changes. Otherwise in a few years from now, everything will look outdated again.

Well if all gov't websites transition to this - at least they'll all look outdated but still in sync with each other. Not to mention responsive, and still good looking.

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"is it possible to create a shared set of tools to provide consistent, beautiful, and easy-to-use government websites?" Yup: http://gov.uk They even copied the colour scheme: https://playbook.cio.gov/designstandards/visual-style/#color...

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I thought of gov.uk as well. I hope 18F took influence from gov.uk's user testing on form design as well.

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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"is it possible to create a shared set of tools to provide consistent, beautiful, and easy-to-use government websites?" Yup: http://gov.uk They even copied the colour scheme: https://playbook.cio.gov/designstandards/visual-style/#color...

Not gonna lie, I confused this site for one of those sites you see on parked domains. I can see a resemblance with respect to the color scheme, but I think the entire design aesthetic is completely different.

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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"is it possible to create a shared set of tools to provide consistent, beautiful, and easy-to-use government websites?" Yup: http://gov.uk They even copied the colour scheme: https://playbook.cio.gov/designstandards/visual-style/#color...

These UK and US government tech efforts have a friendly relationship: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/09/24/uk-and-us-meet-fo...

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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The Medium article says to visit the site for the standards.[1] That yields: MAX.gov Application Unavailable If you are seeing this message and it is not Sunday 2AM-8AM ET then please contact MAX Support by clicking here. If you’re trying to access MAX Community, please use our snapshot site: MAX Snapshot Community Site "MAX.gov" appears to be some kind of in-house cloud service for the Federal government. [1] https:…

It's not fully in house. The idea is to centralize management of services (both in-house and external) for budgeting reasons, since MAX is part of GSA which is part of the OMB (Office of Management and Budget).

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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"is it possible to create a shared set of tools to provide consistent, beautiful, and easy-to-use government websites?" Yup: http://gov.uk They even copied the colour scheme: https://playbook.cio.gov/designstandards/visual-style/#color...

That is the most elegant, beautiful and usable government website I have ever seen.

Re: Introducing U.S. Web Design Standards

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There's a number of comments here about this making phishing easier. The bigger issue is that the US gov doesn't consistently use .gov domain names.

http://www.ustraveldocs.com/

This is the official US gov site for applying for a visa. Given there are so many dodgy immigration agents operating with .com addresses it makes no sense as to why the official site is not just 'visa.gov'.

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