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Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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They didn't build it; they acquired the company that built it.

Oh, I'm interested in the business decision behind that. For example why didn't they just buy (not acquire) the slack product. What were the reasons to host it in-house and manage it themselves.

They got the team behind it, who now work on other parts of Dropobox

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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What annoys me about stuff like Slack is that it's misused. It's made for small teams but I've been 10k people open source projects use it instead of IRC. Of course, it was laggy and they eventually couldn't afford it.

Obfuscating usernames with real names and no ignore are also massive downsides.

Fyi, you can fix the usernames issue in Preferences > Message Display > Message Options.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Any idea why this uses a forked version of Django? I read through docs and skimmed the repo but couldn't find anything that speaks to this...

That one is my fault. The main reason is a performance patch that we made to django, which I wasn't as diligent as I should have been in getting merged. The relevant pull request is https://github.com/django/django/pull/5166, so it will continue to be forked until I get that merged and we update our django version.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I'm interested in the business decision behind that. For example why didn't they just buy (not acquire) the slack product. What were the reasons to host it in-house and manage it themselves.

They got the team behind it, who now work on other parts of Dropobox

Right by why maintain the chat app? Why not just buy slack.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Slack, Zulip, this feels like we are back in 1999, when the internet was divided by ICQ, AOL Instant Messanger, Windows Live Messanger, and Yahoo Messanger. (Instant/Live was a plus back then). And the only innovation over IRC was a backlog and buddy list. I wonder when the Trillian of Slack+Zulip will come out. I hope Trillian (which still exists) is already working on it.

Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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I was just about to try out Mattermost for our company communications. It integrates with a few things including gitlab, but Zulip seems to have a larger number of integration options, which is awesome. Anybody tried both and have thoughts on them? I still prefer to host my own infrastructure, and I want to be able to archive and categorize a discussion (after it's happened) for searchability, but a couple of our peo…

I think HipChat might be the only one backing the XMPP horse still. A timeline [1]. [1] https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf

Needs to be updated. It shows Zulip died in late 2014.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Slack, Zulip, this feels like we are back in 1999, when the internet was divided by ICQ, AOL Instant Messanger, Windows Live Messanger, and Yahoo Messanger. (Instant/Live was a plus back then). And the only innovation over IRC was a backlog and buddy list. I wonder when the Trillian of Slack+Zulip will come out. I hope Trillian (which still exists) is already working on it.

Only Slack and Zulip are for specific teams/companies, not for the public at large. So there's no "fragmentation" issue, any more that there's one when a company uses Bugzilla and the other uses JIRA.

This is a very short sighted view. There is a real need for an alternative to IRC - and closed source products do not cut it when we are talking about communication.

What parent is talking about is a real problem. There's micro-ecosystems out there around specific closed source products, all of them centralized, none of them compatible... and in the mean time, the only real decentralized, open source group chat solution (IRC) has a lot of issues [1] which shouldn't exist in 2015.

[1] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JeromeLeclanche/posts/icC6gDToB...

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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is this something like slack?

yep - very similar but with an emphasis on self hosting.

Check out: https://zulip.org/ and https://zulip.org/features.html. The biggest difference from something like Slack is the threading model, which is documented in some detail on those pages.
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