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Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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post #49

ISPs with metered subscribers are going to make a killing this month!

Isn't there an on-by-default option that causes Windows to behave differently wrt. updates if you're on a metered connection? Still, it's on the user to mark their connection as metered...

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#52
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if people don't want gigabytes of data downloaded they have no use for, they have to turn off an option that gives them timely security updates.

Not saying I agree with MS's decision of what constitutes an update, but if a user grants a company the option to automatically download and install stuff to their computer, they're kindof writing a blank check.

If I pay Microsoft for an OS, I expect them to use good judgment when applying updates. Downloading 6GB without warning me and giving me a chance to do it on my schedule is not using good judgment.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#53
post #41

Headline is misleading. They do have consent. This is one reason I don't allow automatic updates. MS statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade."

What consent is that if people don't understands the facts, implications, and future consequences of the action. Worse, updates has an common perception to be small security fixes. Should we call it uninformed consent? tricked consent? non-binding consent? If we want to use legal terms, is 6G download ordinarily and reasonably to be contemplated by the user?

Well take your pick, then. You can have automatic updates and get security/functionality updates, or you can not and not, and an OS upgrade can be reasonably considered under the aegis of system updates.

Y'all have been campaigning for users to be automatically updated, often whether they want to or not (c.f. Windows rebooting overnight causing the loss of any open documents) because having them not be makes everyone demonstrably less safe and users will never update if you ask them to.

You can't have it both ways. Which will it be?

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#54

I wouldn't argue that I haven't given consent if I have "download updates automatically" in my settings. That being said, Microsoft should use better judgment in terms of checking for available disk space (i.e. don't auto download 6GB worth of updates unless 20GB+ space is available on the drive) and not saturating customer connections since the update is by no means critical (i.e. limit it to 10% of the user's bandw…

I don't think 20GB is enough to make 6GB a trivial amount. I'd say more like 100GB.

MS needs to prompt when downloading amounts of data over a few hundred megabytes, period. There are still places in the world where a prompt is required even for amounts measured in megabytes.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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post #35
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but, if unpatched, it would have downloaded more as part of a botnet.

Windows 10 is not a "a patch"

Windows Update downloads more than "patches". It has been used in the past to distribute standalone tools and service packs.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#56
post #42

I don't get the "without consent" part. If you have automatic updates on you consent to them automatically downloading things.

It's crazy that Microsoft gets so much heat for trying everything it can to get people to its latest OS. By this time next week, a couple hundred million people will be running iOS 9. Within six months they should have 85-90% of their users on it. This makes it better for Apple, developers, and the users. Windows needs a little more of an "onward" mentality.

Microsoft is getting heat for trying everything they can because they're supposed to be "trying everything they should," instead of violating their user's expectations.

It's great the MS wants everyone on their latest OS. But "latest" doesn't mean "best." Taking away user choice subverts the economic principles that encourage improvement -- that "best" is decided by the consumer, not the producer.

It would be ideal for developers if we all just used one OS. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for the customers, the economy, or society.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#57
post #13

Holy smoke - this isn't very good. My parents in NZ only get 1 or 2 GB a month ... this would have cost them a fortune. Fortunately I switched them to mac last year. Microsoft : You suck.

iOS downloads updates in advance of you agreeing to executing them. Maybe OS X does the same? I suppose iOS, Windows, and others all have an opt-out for this feature.

Since iOS 7 or so, iOS updates have been incremental, sized in megabytes, not multi-gigabyte blobs.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#58
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS downloads updates in advance of you agreeing to executing them. Maybe OS X does the same? I suppose iOS, Windows, and others all have an opt-out for this feature.

Since iOS 7 or so, iOS updates have been incremental, sized in megabytes, not multi-gigabyte blobs.

Sounds like a great feature.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

#60
post #17
post #2

So why are we allowing Microsoft to get away with it?

As long as MS gets paid, they will do what they want, so stop paying them. Stop giving them revenue directly, and stop giving them market share that that they profit from indirectly. Anybody that continues to use their products is asking for more of this crap. Some may complain that their business depends on Windows; that's unfortunate, but why didn't they have a second source for all mission critical dependencies?

I don't know if it's a matter of our business depending on Windows more than our business wanting to depend on Windows. We like using Windows because they have such an awesome product. Same thing with Apple. I got the new OS and all of a sudden my iphone 3g started going unbearably slow... so I had to get a new iphone.

My stance is... if they use 6gb of my internet to download updates... okay, whatever... i get unlimited(ish). But if I turn it off and it still does it... that sounds more like a bug in their software. It's still not a big enough deal for me not go with Windows for an OS... it's too good of an OS. I don't think it warrants boycotting MS.

P.S. I didn't pay for Win10. They gave me the upgrade for free.

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