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Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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This deserves every ounce of attention that it can get and I definitely know the feeling. I worked about as hard as I could for a little over a year to save a 15 year old company from going under. I was the only developer/infrastructure person because we couldn't hire anybody else since it looked like a sinking ship. I worked 24/7 (with a wife and 2 kids) on this beastly mix of 10 year old Perl and very inexperienced…

So what happened to the company you left?

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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What are people's thoughts/experiences with burnout happening without overtime? Over the past few years I've grown more and more bored at work. Even switching jobs from different ends of the spectrum didn't fix this. I can get myself into flow but it seems to take more and more will power as time goes on. Different tech challenges help, but it's nothing like my halcyon days of straight out of college. Of coming into…

When was the last time you had a vacation? And I mean a real vacation -- not just a day off to work on home projects. Also make sure the vacation itself isn't too much work (i.e., trying to cram as much activity in as you can).

Personally, I bought a camper that I leave parked at a local campground that is within an hour from home. I'll sometimes take off early on Friday and head up there for the weekend, other times I'll take a week off work. But my favorite is to take a 2 week vacation to someplace with an ocean and beach, and spend quite a bit of time either in the water or just laying on the beach listening to the waves.

But the best cure for burnout that I had was when I had a job that was regular 40 hours, that I got laid off from (6 years ago during the height of the last recession). Spent 4 months in the summer with only a couple interviews, but then when I started my new job I was totally refreshed again. It's only been in the last year that I've started feeling bored/tired again, so maybe it's time for another layoff.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

#54

I worked extremely hard at my last start-up to the point of being completely burnt out. I'm happy because it made me stronger, but I'll never forget being over and for about 4-5 months after, never looking at a computer. I didn't want anything to do with them for awhile, and pursued a vicious "I'm gonna go pro in golf" campaign (can't take the idealism/ambition out of a true entrepreneur). I'm really happy now, but I…

Do you have any tips for combating burnout that worked well for you? I'm starting to feel the signs of burnout (which probably means I'm actually in deeper than I think), and I'd like to try to head this off before it gets worse. I know setting hard boundaries for work/non work and taking chunks of time for yourself is a good start, but would love to hear if you had any more advice? Thanks!

Haven't actually tested it, but super better might be your thing ( http://janemcgonigal.com/2014/01/06/superbetter-show-me-the-... ), it's an interesting experiment at least.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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post #27

What are people's thoughts/experiences with burnout happening without overtime? Over the past few years I've grown more and more bored at work. Even switching jobs from different ends of the spectrum didn't fix this. I can get myself into flow but it seems to take more and more will power as time goes on. Different tech challenges help, but it's nothing like my halcyon days of straight out of college. Of coming into…

I wonder if tech by and large has lost its focus on important things - curing disease, going to the moon, and all the other impossible goals. Instead, the industry focuses on social networks, business software, ect. Maybe burnout would not be such a problem if there were a true cause to line up behind.

It's easy to stop caring about something when its not really worth caring about.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

#56

> because tech is a small town and I shouldn’t burn any bridges to anyone out there listening - it's not. technology is a huge, huge, huge, huge established industry. think about it - what does "tech" even mean? it's an umbrella term for 4 or 5 classifications that all kind of bleed into each other - including finance. in addition, every non-tech company has a shitload of tech in it. gee whiz. it's almost as if techn…

I think it's more that the startup scene in SV is much smaller than say working from some random company throughout the United States or the world at large. I can see that reputation and being known by name could be a reality in startups for sure. Outside of that? I would be completely floored if anyone knew me just from the random jobs I've had across multiple industries that write software for internal/external use.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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post #27

What are people's thoughts/experiences with burnout happening without overtime? Over the past few years I've grown more and more bored at work. Even switching jobs from different ends of the spectrum didn't fix this. I can get myself into flow but it seems to take more and more will power as time goes on. Different tech challenges help, but it's nothing like my halcyon days of straight out of college. Of coming into…

Would you describe your problem as a lack of fulfillment?

Personally, I find my day job technically challenging, fun, and often rewarding, but I don't really find it fulfilling in some deep meaningful sense. I feel useful but not meaningful.

It took me a while to realize that this was the problem I was having -- and that just switching from software engineering job to software engineering job wasn't going to change it -- and I am still at a crossroads as to what to do about it. I'm not sure if I should seek fulfillment from outside my career -- family, community, a craft, a cause -- or if I should change my career to one I (think I might) find more fulfilling.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

#58

This deserves every ounce of attention that it can get and I definitely know the feeling. I worked about as hard as I could for a little over a year to save a 15 year old company from going under. I was the only developer/infrastructure person because we couldn't hire anybody else since it looked like a sinking ship. I worked 24/7 (with a wife and 2 kids) on this beastly mix of 10 year old Perl and very inexperienced…

Well done. Its not easy to move when everything depends on you even if people don't appreciate it. Great to see that you found real success and it shows what's possible when people aren't afraid to make a move.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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post #51

This deserves every ounce of attention that it can get and I definitely know the feeling. I worked about as hard as I could for a little over a year to save a 15 year old company from going under. I was the only developer/infrastructure person because we couldn't hire anybody else since it looked like a sinking ship. I worked 24/7 (with a wife and 2 kids) on this beastly mix of 10 year old Perl and very inexperienced…

So what happened to the company you left?

I stabilized them over the course of that year and helped them transition to new developers. Company is doing fine as far as I know and should be for a while.

They've got a massive network effect which is why they were able to survive months of chaos from a bad rebuild. That's the only reason I came on in the first place. The network effect bought a lot of time to fix things and there was no clear "Facebook" to their "MySpace."

Really the only thing working against the company is that their target market is aging a lot.

Re: Regretting the Golden Handcuffs: Beware the Costs of Burnout

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Passion causes burnout. Have you ever noticed that the people who just punch a clock and go home never experience burn out? Even if they end up working overtime? It's always the people who identify with their work that get burned.

You might be on to something here, I guess it's too much to ask for some kind of meaning in your work when you're there for 8hrs a day.
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