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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

cylinder wrote: post #39
jacobush wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it is quite bad for families to get their lives halted for such a long time. Problem is, they are not examined for a year. They are in queue for a year and then examined a week or something.

Background investigations are done as well. Again, I see no problem with it. I thought they were escaping a dangerous situation? It seems they are now in a safe third country, it's not a big deal they have to wait a year. I have many relatives who came to the US this way.

Of course it's better than the alternative and I am sure they are thankful. But a common scenario is, send a family rep, typically the father on the dangerous journey, a person most likely to succeed. This person then in the receiving country applies for permission to get his family over too. By the time everything is done, children may have been without their father for two years. Everyone is getting kind of traumatized from it. I am all for thorough background checks, but at least in my country, they take a long time not because of thorough checks, but because the system is seriously backlogged. Most of the time could be cut if we had more resources allocated to the task. Alas, reality, budgets and stuff gets in the way...

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by mrdodge »

ashleyp wrote: post #29
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet?

Why do you state this like it's a truth?

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by rumcajz »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

If you are fleeing from ISIS why, for heaven's sake, would you go to Saudi Arabia?

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ashleyp »

treenyc wrote: post #45
ashleyp wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet?

You can be responsible, and it doesn't has to be in the way that allows 'refugees' into your country. People in each country ought to have a choice in that.

True - there's still ways of helping without that.

But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =))

It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by dao- »

jqm wrote: post #42

Maybe if the great powers weren't so busy playing geo-political chess by proxy there wouldn't be so many refugees. Syria was fairly stable before the west decided Assad should go. Syria was fairly stable before the west destabilized Iraq. This is the problem.

edit: accidentally submitted too early, sorry.

Syria was fairly stable until its people made demands and their leader responded with gun fire. Not sure where you see the role of "the West" in that escalation. Do you think the problem was that the West sneakily infected Syrian people with the absurd idea that they could have the same rights as people elsewhere? Or maybe that the West failed to support Syrian rebels when they begged for it, allowing Assad to go on fighting his people for years and IS and other jihadist groups to gain ground in the country?

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Post by EliRivers »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

They're often not the same culture, and not the same religion.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by celticninja »

cylinder wrote: post #13
sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

70k per year is hundreds per day. And then there's all the asylum seekers on top of that as well as the massive undocumented migrations across the southern border. If Germany were an island it would do the same kind of processing. There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up?

It is 192 per day so not hundreds per day. Additionally many of these refugees are from Iraq and Afghanistan. The actions of the USA prompted many people to seek Asylum, so yeah you need to pick up your game in terms of how long these applications are taking to process.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by circuiter »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_W...

Their nearby brethren have already taken in MILLIONS of refugees. It took only a few hundred thousand in Europe for the media circus to begin and for their plight to be put in the spotlight.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

mrdodge wrote: post #24
DasIch wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone want to? Germany desperately needs immigration to keep up the economy and welfare system and overall immigrants pay more to Germany than they get out of it.

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ManFromUranus »

jacobush wrote: post #35
cylinder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

70k per year is hundreds per day. And then there's all the asylum seekers on top of that as well as the massive undocumented migrations across the southern border. If Germany were an island it would do the same kind of processing. There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up?

Actually it is quite bad for families to get their lives halted for such a long time. Problem is, they are not examined for a year. They are in queue for a year and then examined a week or something.

I wonder if the queue could be caused by hundreds of refugees and asylum coming to the US every day...
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