A programming language implementation that is subject to sandboxing? Mac has become the parody of a computer.
It's a restriction of the Mac App Store, not the actual Mac computer itself. Mac is just Unix with a pretty UI and lots of features.
Haskell for Mac
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Re: Haskell for Mac
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Sounds good but still not convincing. For example, R can do the same thing, too, or even better. And it can be integrated with other programming languages. I would never buy it either until somebody really shows it's worth the money.
It's only $25. I've been interested in playing with Haskell for a while but I've been put off by the need to setup existing tools. Having an all-in-one package with neat presentation, packaged libraries, and immediate feedback sounds like a great deal for $25.
The problem is having to use a Mac.
I guess that I could spin up my Yosemite virtual machine...
Re: Haskell for Mac
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Exhibit A for how questionable this Sandboxing is when it comes to things like programming languages. And exhibit A for how Mac is becoming a household appliance instead of a general-purpose computer that YOU own and do with what YOU want. If you want to own your Mac you need to stay away from the AppStore at the very least, and ideally build all your shit yourself.
Its not required to install apps through the MAS.
Yet.
First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it.
Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is)
I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
Re: Haskell for Mac
#54A programming language implementation that is subject to sandboxing? Mac has become the parody of a computer.
There was no need for the developers to release this on the App Store. Anyone installing a Haskell IDE is perfectly capable of installing an app normally.
Re: Haskell for Mac
#55A programming language implementation that is subject to sandboxing? Mac has become the parody of a computer.
It's a restriction of the Mac App Store, not the actual Mac computer itself. Mac is just Unix with a pretty UI and lots of features.
Technically, that's true of course. I myself use the “computer” part only and shun the “AppStore” part as much as at all possible, but Apple is renowned for the deep integration of all kinds of components and there comes a point where you just don't have a choice any more. I seem to see the area of free choice getting smaller with every OS release.
Re: Haskell for Mac
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Its not required to install apps through the MAS.
Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
This setting in Preference Panel is opt-in, not opt-out. Default behaviour does not reject non-MAS apps. Most likely a security setting for companies or restricted environments.
The rest is pure speculation.
Re: Haskell for Mac
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not required to install apps through the MAS.
Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
Yet.
And we have heard this for how long already? Doing so would basically be suicide for the Mac. First of all because a sizeable chunk of users are technical users. Secondly, a lot of software is not available in the Mac App store and likely will never be (I think Microsoft and Adobe would rather abandon OS X than giving 30% for each cloud subscription to Apple and being at the mercy of the MAS gatekeepers).
Re: Haskell for Mac
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not required to install apps through the MAS.
Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
I see the same tendency and I don't like it at all. It seems only a question of time until you will have to decide whether you want a computer or a Mac.
Re: Haskell for Mac
#59A programming language implementation that is subject to sandboxing? Mac has become the parody of a computer.
There was no need for the developers to release this on the App Store. Anyone installing a Haskell IDE is perfectly capable of installing an app normally.
They are charging money for it, so that is reason enough to use the Mac app store. If it was free, then I totally agree.
Re: Haskell for Mac
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not required to install apps through the MAS.
Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
And if this happens then I won't upgrade or I will stop buying Macs.
Until then I find them to be the best laptops on the market.