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Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by Evgeny »

zaroth wrote: post #3

The more interesting question I think is not whether skipping breakfast might help lose weight, it is whether the weight loss is due to lower overall caloric intake, the timing of digestion reducing bioavailability, the timing of when sugar became available to the body impacting targeted fat burn or somehow enhancing the body's ability to burn fat cells, or maybe the types of "breakfast" foods skipped, or just genera…

The more interesting question I think is not whether skipping breakfast might help lose weight, it is whether the weight loss is due to lower overall caloric intake

It is overall caloric intake. This link [1] has 20 studies cited that support this hypothesis. At the same time, I'm not aware of any clinically controlled studies that contradict this hypothesis.

The doubt always comes from the studies where caloric intake is assessed by questionnaires and self reporting, which in turn was shown to be very inaccurate, i.e. [2].

[1] http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.htm...

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by Flow »

baby wrote: post #45
hngiszmo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. How long between last and first meal? (Apart from the individual case not being representative.)

usually eat at noon or after, then dinner. I don't snack, never eat sugar. I think it's because of the portions I eat :| alcohol might be for something as well.

It could be due to hormone imbalance, have you checked your thyroid and testosterone levels?

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by kenesom1 »

Evgeny wrote: post #50
kenesom1 wrote: post #49

Studies have shown that overweight people don't necessarily eat more calories or have less active lifestyles than their normal weight peers [1][2][3][4]. A major factor that contributes to excess weight is the absorption rate of dietary lipids in the gut, which can be influenced by anatomy, gut microbiota, genetics, and other characteristics [5][6][7][8][9]. The rate at which the body absorbs fat from food during dig…

Studies have shown that overweight people don't necessarily eat more calories or have less active lifestyles than their normal weight peers [1][2][3][4]. These appear to be observational studies based on self reporting. There are multiple studies that showed overweight people underreporting their caloric intake by up to 50%. Interestingly, people with normal and less than normal weight ofter overestimate their calori…

The accuracy of self-reported energy intake using the 24-hour daily recall method has been shown to be consistent across BMI levels:

"Accuracy of recall was not related to body mass index in that the obese men recalled food intake as accurately as the nonobese men." [1]

Accelerometers were used in the Chinese study to measure physical activity:

"No differences in PA [physical activity] and SB [sedentary behavior] were found across different BMI categories." [2]

A European study where the childrens' parents were doing the reporting rather than the subjects themselves concluded:

"The data suggest the belief that overweight children eat more than non-overweight children is not correct." [3]

Studies on identical twins showed that caloric intake didn't account for differences in weight between twins. Specific types of gut bacteria present in low-weight individuals were found to have a protective effect against obesity however. [4][5]

There is little difference between the energy intake of most overweight people and their normal weight counterparts. Factors like gut biology and intestinal absorption play a much more important role.

The Nutrition Science Initiative was developed to address the need for more clinical research in this area. [6]

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15054345

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11753586

[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24527563

[4] http://www.amazon.com/The-Diet-Myth-Science-Behind/dp/029760...

[5] http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141106132204.ht...

[6] http://www.wired.com/2014/08/what-makes-us-fat/

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by Evgeny »

kenesom1 wrote: post #54
Evgeny wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Studies have shown that overweight people don't necessarily eat more calories or have less active lifestyles than their normal weight peers [1][2][3][4]. These appear to be observational studies based on self reporting. There are multiple studies that showed overweight people underreporting their caloric intake by up to 50%. Interestingly, people with normal and less than normal weight ofter overestimate their calori…

The accuracy of self-reported energy intake using the 24-hour daily recall method has been shown to be consistent across BMI levels: "Accuracy of recall was not related to body mass index in that the obese men recalled food intake as accurately as the nonobese men." [1] Accelerometers were used in the Chinese study to measure physical activity: "No differences in PA [physical activity] and SB [sedentary behavior] wer…

The accuracy of self-reported energy intake using the 24-hour daily recall method has been shown to be consistent across BMI levels:

CONCLUSIONS: Under controlled conditions, the USDA five-step multiple-pass method can

Yes. We need controlled conditions.

"No differences in PA [physical activity] and SB [sedentary behavior] were found across different BMI categories." [2]

The parents of children recorded dietary intake for a week using the food weighing method.

No. Please let the scientists weigh the food under controlled conditions.

A European study where the childrens' parents were doing the reporting rather than the subjects themselves concluded:

No. Please let the scientists weigh the food under controlled conditions.

Studies on identical twins showed that caloric intake didn't account for differences in weight between twins.

The ScienceDaily link does not give much relevant information. So they found sets of twins whose weight differs, and the gut bacteria composition differs. Interesting. What did they do next to disprove that caloric input determines body weight? Did they assign twins to certain diets to see how body weight changes? No, and the word "calorie" is not even mentioned at all.

In fact, all I get from the article is correlation - lack or presence of certain types of bacteria is correlated with body weight. Here's an easy possible confounder: what if lack or presence of bacteria increases or lowers the appetite, causing caloric intake to change and thus leading to weight gain or loss?

The Nutrition Science Initiative was developed to address the need for more clinical research in this area. [6]

Yes. As long as all food is measured by the scientists and there is no possibility the participants are getting extra food elswere, or not eating what they are supposed to eat, I'm very eager to see the results.

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by jschwartzi »

baby wrote: post #45
hngiszmo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. How long between last and first meal? (Apart from the individual case not being representative.)

usually eat at noon or after, then dinner. I don't snack, never eat sugar. I think it's because of the portions I eat :| alcohol might be for something as well.

1 bottle of beer is usually between 100 and 300 carrots, depending on what type of beer and how much alcohol is in it. Alcohol is a significant source of calories.

Have you tried not drinking for a few months?

The rule of thumb I've heard is that 1 pound of weight can be lost with a 3500 calorie deficit. If you drink between 10 and 30 beets a week, cutting beer could cause you to start losing weight.

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by redblacktree »

jschwartzi wrote: post #56
baby wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

usually eat at noon or after, then dinner. I don't snack, never eat sugar. I think it's because of the portions I eat :| alcohol might be for something as well.

1 bottle of beer is usually between 100 and 300 carrots, depending on what type of beer and how much alcohol is in it. Alcohol is a significant source of calories. Have you tried not drinking for a few months? The rule of thumb I've heard is that 1 pound of weight can be lost with a 3500 calorie deficit. If you drink between 10 and 30 beets a week, cutting beer could cause you to start losing weight.

carrots? beets? Thanks for the laughs, autocorrect.

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by prostoalex »

flountown wrote: post #17

At the end of the day it will always be calories in vs. calories out. My personal experience is that I try to only eat 1 meal per day. Intermittent fasting is nothing new, and when I combine it with a low carb diet, it is extremely effective for me. I went from ~300 down to 225 in a matter of 4-5 months. As long as I am busy, I hardly notice any hunger during the day now that I am used to the schedule and the 1 meal…

> At the end of the day it will always be calories in vs. calories out.

This is based on the assumption that all calories are digested and metabolized.

Calorie is simply a unit of energy. There are calories in paper, charcoal and wood, so taking that to the extreme would mean that one would gain the same amount of weight consuming a bunch of shredded paper as consuming, let's say, a donut, yet digestion does not work that way.

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by prostoalex »

mdekkers wrote: post #53

Not eating makes you lose weight. Doesn't matter when you eat, eating less, and eating better food (fresh, non-processed. If it doesn't run, grow on a tree/plant, or swim, don't eat it) will make you lose weight.

> Not eating makes you lose weight.

Exception being the cases when it doesn't http://bradpilon.com/weight-loss/fasting-for-weight-loss/can...

Re: Skipping breakfast might help you lose weight

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Post by madcaptenor »

flountown wrote: post #30
eastbayjake wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you eat and when do you eat it?

So most of my meals are very bachelor-like. Cook some sort of protein(chicken/steak/fish) or eggs/meat/cheese in a pan on the stove and then an entire steamable bag of frozen veggies of some sort. If I want to get really fancy I will do either a stir fry or beef/turkey chili with some veggies/beans mixed in. Depending on how busy I am during the day this can be anywhere from 4-8 pm. If I have hunger issues later on I…

Cashew milk is similarly low-calorie.
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