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Re: _why's Estate

#51

Post by unalone »

keyist wrote: post #50
unalone wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where're you getting flute music from? I haven't mentioned that here and I haven't mentioned it on my blog. You're going out of your way to troll now. Writing insults ought to be more skillful than just stringing eight or nine unrelated adjectives together sarcastically. Used to be flamewars had craft, Zed.

Dude, you profess to admiring _why and all, but you're using a thread on his 'estate' to further a personal vendetta against Zed, jumping on the first link to Zed's post with cached vitriol. You said of _why: > For all that he had a vibrant personality, his work was never about himself. Yet in your repeated attempts to have the last word you are making the thread less about _why and more about yourself. A little inco…

I don't have a Zed vendetta. I haven't mentioned the guy since the last thread about him and _why. That said, I thought a criticism of Zed re: that _why post would be a valid comment, and apparently other people did too.

Normally on HN, that would have been the end of the thread, because there really wasn't much more to talk about. However, Zed decided it was worth not only insulting me here but posting a link to this thread for his thousands of Twitter followers to read and downvote, so this got out of hand.

I'd be happy to take this to email with Zed so we can settle. That's happened a few times with people, and I find it helps us talk things out without the peacocking that goes on when somebody thinks they're in the public eye. But Zed's decided to be obnoxious, and, much as I feel sick even being in this conversation, I don't want to let him rip me apart when he's saying things that are incorrect and immature.

Re: _why's Estate

#53

Post by octover »

camccann wrote: post #11
plaes wrote: post #2

Does anyone know what happened to him? To me it seems like a digital suicide :(

A few people did some internet stalking back when he first disappeared and tracked down some of his real-life friends and family. Creepy, yes, but also enough to determine that the man behind the pseudonym is alive and well. And, since one of the suspected reasons for why he chose to disappear as he did was "people prying into his real-life non-_why identity", it's probably best if we leave it at that.

I know I'm not alone in knowing the real _why, knowing that he was okay, passing that message on and I trying to stop the stalking/detective work. While I'm not sure he wanted people who know him to do so, I think it was the lesser of two evils to tracking down everyone who might know him and exposing them and bothering them.

Re: _why's Estate

#54

Post by zedshaw »

unalone wrote: post #46
zedshaw wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, I can't for the life of me find any of your wonderfully totally original flute music. I mean, I was thinking "DAYUM! Rory's gotta have some bad ass atonal Japanese hate porn flute power ballads out there." Yet I can't find any of it on google or bing. I mean, usually bing can find the really weird shit. So lay it on my oh master of the totally original. Where's your music?

Where're you getting flute music from? I haven't mentioned that here and I haven't mentioned it on my blog. You're going out of your way to troll now. Writing insults ought to be more skillful than just stringing eight or nine unrelated adjectives together sarcastically. Used to be flamewars had craft, Zed.

Well, you claim you know something about music, so do something more than just run your mouth in a forum. Put your stuff online so we can all see how totally original you are.

I'm dying to know.

Re: _why's Estate

#55

Post by zedshaw »

unalone wrote: post #51
keyist wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you profess to admiring _why and all, but you're using a thread on his 'estate' to further a personal vendetta against Zed, jumping on the first link to Zed's post with cached vitriol. You said of _why: > For all that he had a vibrant personality, his work was never about himself. Yet in your repeated attempts to have the last word you are making the thread less about _why and more about yourself. A little inco…

I don't have a Zed vendetta. I haven't mentioned the guy since the last thread about him and _why. That said, I thought a criticism of Zed re: that _why post would be a valid comment, and apparently other people did too. Normally on HN, that would have been the end of the thread, because there really wasn't much more to talk about. However, Zed decided it was worth not only insulting me here but posting a link to thi…

Obnoxious? Wow you really are out of touch with yourself. You do realize you called me an idiot, immature, and juvenile right? You consistently insult me behind the guise of fake wisdom and objective observation, but really it's an act so you can insult people like me without getting called out on it.

Your plan actually works pretty well because, while other people here say I should follow the posting guidelines, nobody says you should. Despite the fact that to an educated intellectual such as myself the insult of "idiot" is probably one of the worst you could sling.

Re: _why's Estate

#56

Post by zedshaw »

drats wrote: post #45
zedshaw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idiot? Wait a minute, you're that dude I roasted a while back for your pathetic little rant about programmers. IIRC you ran your mouth in the HN comments until you actually advocated that a woman who'd been raped deserved it. Then when I called you on it you tried to say you never said that, even though it was easy to read that you did . If anyone is an idiot here it's you Rory. You don't know me. You definitely don'…

I am sorry it's not just this guy who thinks this, whoever he is and whatever his opinions are on other topics, you really are an embarrassment. Nobody cares if you are a "real hacker" or you are smart or if your online bombastic personality is a bit of trollishness put on just to stir people up etc. You are simply an attention seeker, and you have none of the class, style or taste that someone like _why had and will…

Now sir, I would like you to go back and think very carefully about what you just did. Rory insulted me directly without any provocation on a thread about _why. He called me an idiot and juvenile, both statements that are unfounded and untrue. Even though he wrapped it in very intellectual sounding prose he still insulted me.

Now, nobody flagged him for the troll he is. In fact, nobody ever said "hey it's not within our posting guidelines to call someone an idiot".

However, when I reply and insulted him back not only do people like you defend him, but you say I'm being a troll and that I need to grow up. Even though it's (hopefully) clear that I may just be trolling him for a reason.

It's not right for you to apply a standard to me that you don't also apply to Rory. If I'm not allowed to be immature, juvenile, and insulting than neither is he. In fact, he's more in the wrong here because he did it without provocation for no other reason than to troll and win favor with people who have your opinion.

Next time, if there's a standard you have, such as "people should be mature and not insult others" then you should apply it to both parties in an argument. If everyone did this then trolling like this might end fairly quickly. In fact, don't even reply, just flag both posts and move on.

Re: _why's Estate

#57

Post by zedshaw »

unalone wrote: post #44
zedshaw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idiot? Wait a minute, you're that dude I roasted a while back for your pathetic little rant about programmers. IIRC you ran your mouth in the HN comments until you actually advocated that a woman who'd been raped deserved it. Then when I called you on it you tried to say you never said that, even though it was easy to read that you did . If anyone is an idiot here it's you Rory. You don't know me. You definitely don'…

Exactly what I'm talking about, Zed. You like pretending that you're capable of instantly judging people, and once you do you sink your teeth in and never let go. So I'm writing a blog in college where I pretty openly write whatever I feel like, on impulse, with a big warning saying I write whatever words come to mind and that I frequently write things without thinking them through. One of those things was some specu…

Interesting, again, you wrap your insults in intellectual sounding words and people rate you at 5 points, yet my reply is at -2 points. Very interesting in deed.

Let's add it up. You've called me pathetic, idiot, immature, juvenile, questioned my mental state, said I have emotional issues, insulted my 30-year-old age, and questioned my manhood so far. Good thing I know myself pretty well or I might actually be insulted.

Everyone eats it up like candy and boosts your comment to the top. Good job.

Yet, when I insult you back in my style HN rates me down quite harshly. My retaliation is seen as "immature", yet people completely gloss over your insults entirely. It's as if your insults are the parenthesis in LISP and are just to be ignored.

What I find even more interesting is that you state your insults are legitimate criticism. They aren't, they're just insults, and fairly obnoxious ones. Legitimate criticism would be done in private and would include ways to improve, and typically comes from people who actually know the person.

Your criticism is just insults, and based on the size of this response, I'd say mine are way more effective at getting you worked up.

Now lets see if people try to justify their preconceived voting of our respective comments by pointing out key phrases from my reply, but not from yours.

Re: _why's Estate

#58

Post by whyme »

zedshaw wrote: post #56
drats wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry it's not just this guy who thinks this, whoever he is and whatever his opinions are on other topics, you really are an embarrassment. Nobody cares if you are a "real hacker" or you are smart or if your online bombastic personality is a bit of trollishness put on just to stir people up etc. You are simply an attention seeker, and you have none of the class, style or taste that someone like _why had and will…

Now sir, I would like you to go back and think very carefully about what you just did. Rory insulted me directly without any provocation on a thread about _why. He called me an idiot and juvenile, both statements that are unfounded and untrue. Even though he wrapped it in very intellectual sounding prose he still insulted me. Now, nobody flagged him for the troll he is. In fact, nobody ever said "hey it's not within…

If you folks are going to meet by the bike racks at 3:15, can you at least let me know? I'll even skip the Simpsons as so that I can watch.

Re: _why's Estate

#59

Post by mcantelon »

unalone wrote: post #51
keyist wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you profess to admiring _why and all, but you're using a thread on his 'estate' to further a personal vendetta against Zed, jumping on the first link to Zed's post with cached vitriol. You said of _why: > For all that he had a vibrant personality, his work was never about himself. Yet in your repeated attempts to have the last word you are making the thread less about _why and more about yourself. A little inco…

I don't have a Zed vendetta. I haven't mentioned the guy since the last thread about him and _why. That said, I thought a criticism of Zed re: that _why post would be a valid comment, and apparently other people did too. Normally on HN, that would have been the end of the thread, because there really wasn't much more to talk about. However, Zed decided it was worth not only insulting me here but posting a link to thi…

Didn't you initiate the back-and-forth by commenting on a link to a Zed blog post that he's an "idiot"?

Re: _why's Estate

#60

Post by jordyhoyt »

unalone wrote: post #18
michael_dorfman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An alternate view: http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-08-19.html

Zed's an idiot. He made up a fantasy about what he thought _why might be doing, and proceeded to insult _why and generally be a jackass without knowing what he was doing. At the time I commented here saying Zed and _why were foils in many ways. I still believe that. _why was all about encouraging creative expression and absolute artistic freedom, and about making people excited about things. For all that he had a vib…

I'm quite taken aback by the name calling here.

> When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

I hope you know what this is from. You did not reply directly to the argument of Zed's blog post, but called him an idiot before you wrote more than 3 words.

I've seen a lot of your posts here and I've liked a lot of what you've said. However, this doesn't just go against the guidelines of Hacker News, this goes against the guidelines of civil discourse.

You took a nice thread about _why and turned it into an attack on Zed. This comment is in no way about _why, and that's just sad.

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