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It's dangerous to get to know your neighbours -- if you don't like them, they're hard to avoid. Better to be socially close to those you can physically avoid, and socially distant from those you can't.
You and I have different definitions of dangerous. Risky might be a better word. But the right word for that sentence is probably "unpleasant" or "vexing". Dangerous is getting your hand caught in your disposal. Not being able to talk to a neighbor is like getting a piece of food caught in your disposal. I'd say it's more dangerous to not know your neighbors. If you're ever in trouble in your neighborhood (where you…
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's dangerous to get to know your neighbours -- if you don't like them, they're hard to avoid. Better to be socially close to those you can physically avoid, and socially distant from those you can't.
You and I have different definitions of dangerous. Risky might be a better word. But the right word for that sentence is probably "unpleasant" or "vexing". Dangerous is getting your hand caught in your disposal. Not being able to talk to a neighbor is like getting a piece of food caught in your disposal. I'd say it's more dangerous to not know your neighbors. If you're ever in trouble in your neighborhood (where you…
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I don't disagree at all, and if doing more of the above is a change you would like to see in the world then it's laudable that you're doing it (if you're doing it.) The phrase that moved me to post was "the world just won't stay saved". Of course the world won't stay saved, because we're all subject to entropy and, with apologies to Chinua Achebe: Things Fall Apart. The world is a garden and it requires constant main…
Actually, the bit about the world not staying saved was a reference to the first little bit of The Incredibles. :) I think that fighting (metaphorical) entropy is worthwhile, though; I just prefer to find the most efficient means for the result, or at least a more efficient means than convincing folk to change their ways through rhetoric and example. I guess it's a bit ironic that I'm even writing this...
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I know you're speaking with tongue-in-cheek but there's some unsettling truth to what you say. People can be less involved in their community if they can just escape to like-minded havens on the internet rather than fixing the real issues going on around them (see al3x's post about fleeing to Portland for reference: http://al3x.net/ ).
I've actually been joking about starting a 'move to the internet' movement.
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The intersection of people with something worth saying and the people who write books is far from total.
That's true. But it's more meaningful from the societal level than the personal. As an individual looking for interesting or useful things you don't already know it's usually far more efficient to read a few books than to spend the same amount of time getting to know people outside your circle. Now if you want to learn something that a large number of people don't already know then goes treasure hunting. But, suggest…
>But, suggesting people need to talk with a wide range of people to grow as a person is simply untrue.
Learning how to get along with people that are not like you is a deeply transformative, and I think valuable, experience.
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I went to a church on Christmas Eve last year for the carols and I found it invigorating and enlightening to talk to people who weren't 20-something grad students or professors. I worry that we're missing out on something by congregating in social and intellectual monocultures in which we are never challenged by someone that sees the world from a different viewpoint.
I think there is a lot that is lost by society's tendency to group similar people and people's natural tendency to seek out those who are similar to each other. When all the elderly people get put in retirement homes think of what is lost by those who could have benefited from the elderly person's years of experience and wisdom. If you want to be a better entrepreneur, you are probably going to find an older entrepre…
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That's true. But it's more meaningful from the societal level than the personal. As an individual looking for interesting or useful things you don't already know it's usually far more efficient to read a few books than to spend the same amount of time getting to know people outside your circle. Now if you want to learn something that a large number of people don't already know then goes treasure hunting. But, suggest…
The problem with your suggestion are all the things that you don't know you don't know. >But, suggesting people need to talk with a wide range of people to grow as a person is simply untrue. Learning how to get along with people that are not like you is a deeply transformative, and I think valuable, experience.
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#58Wanna meet your real neighbours again? God no. That's why the Internet is so awesome - we're not limited to the people we unfortunately find ourselves surrounded by in "real life." Still, good joke ;-)
It's dangerous to get to know your neighbours -- if you don't like them, they're hard to avoid. Better to be socially close to those you can physically avoid, and socially distant from those you can't.
The reason it turned out this way is not hard to explain: unless you are a landlord or are buying a house and participate in a "cohousing" venture, there is almost no way in American to choose your neigbhors, and it is difficult and expensive to put distance between yourself and a neighbor (because moving is difficult and expensive).
Note that a large part of human communication is "signalling" by which I mean making oneself appear as virtuous as possible and making oneself appear to have the character traits that people want in a friend or a coworker.
And note that the way I would signal virtue or good character traits in this conversational thread is to say that I always get along with everyone and that I love all my neighbors.
But I did not do that. Instead, I intentionally chose to risk leaving the (false, IMHO) impression that I might be hard to get along with in order to counteract what I see as the overly rosy picture painted by our society about the value of warm relationships with one's neighbors (relative to warm relationships with non-neighbors) -- and in order to give some of the younger people reading this the benefit of my life experience. (I am 49.)
It is of course often extremely beneficial to live with someone who loves you, I should add -- and that is worth going for because it is much less expensive to choose your housemates or apartment mates than to choose your neighbors.
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The problem with your suggestion are all the things that you don't know you don't know. >But, suggesting people need to talk with a wide range of people to grow as a person is simply untrue. Learning how to get along with people that are not like you is a deeply transformative, and I think valuable, experience.
I thought that's what going home for the holidays was all about ;-)