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Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

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For those not aware, the original 50 coins sent to this address were generated from the genesis block, the first block on the blockchain. However, the transaction is still unconfirmed, so until it is this could be nothing. Market has been scared downwards though.

> For those not aware, the original 50 coins sent to this address were generated from the genesis block

The genesis block is block 0, and the coins in those transactions in question were from block 1 through 5.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#53
post #29

Is this lack of anonymity a feature of Bitcoin?

Yes, actually. Bitcoin is widely mis-reported as anonymous when the reality is that every bitcoin transaction ever made is publicly and permanently recorded in the distributed ledger. That's how anyone and everyone can verify that the ledger is legit. These transactions are associated with wallet ID numbers, not names. And, anyone can create a fresh, unassociated, empty wallet at any time. But, it's not hard to follow the money and infer who is doing what. Thus, the technical description is that Bitcoin isn't anonymous, it's pseudonymous.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#54
post #46
post #16

Looks like a problem with Blockchain.info https://btc.blockr.io/address/info/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5L... edit:// Reddit has more info: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frht4/satoshi_naka...

And the reddit thread has already been removed. Can we get this HN thread hidden? Or at least the title updated?

Reddit post still shows for me...

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#55
post #40

For those not aware, the original 50 coins sent to this address were generated from the genesis block, the first block on the blockchain. However, the transaction is still unconfirmed, so until it is this could be nothing. Market has been scared downwards though.

I don't understand. Either this transaction has a valid signature or it doesn't. If it does, then AFACIT the only possible way that it could not be confirmed sooner or later is if it's a double-spend. What am I missing?

Maybe blockchain.info generates its web pages from a database, and someone inserted a record into the database that doesn't correspond to a transaction with a valid signature? Although if that's the case you would maybe expect them to not mark it as "unconfirmed".

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#56

Bitcoin newbie here. How do we know that's him?

We know that the very first bitcoins in the blockchain are "his", and IIRC some other coins have been tracked as "his" based on being in the same wallet or wallets. There are a number of articles on this over the past years. I say, "his", since we don't know who the creator is, could be a group of people, might not be a man.

> We know that the very first bitcoins in the blockchain are "his",

Technically, we do not know that, we can only assume it.

There is no evidence that the person or persons known as Satoshi have ever mined coins on the mainnet.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#57
post #29

Is this lack of anonymity a feature of Bitcoin?

It's a consequence of the fact that the general ledger (aka the blockchain) is public information. It has to be, otherwise the system would not work; what I mean is that you cannot design a crypto currency whose ledger is not public information.

It depends on what you mean by "cryptocurrency". None of the Chaum-based Digital Cash system designs of the 80s and 90s featured a public ledger, but they weren't decentralized. The public ledger was an innovation of Bitcoin (as far as I know, even Szabo's property title system didn't propose to make the ledger actually public), and many people at the time felt that it was a bad idea, since it gave up anonymity.

It seems plausible that fully homomorphic encryption will eventually enable a practical and fully anonymous cryptocurrency, but nobody has figured out how yet. Also, even without FHE, maybe someone will figure out how to make a Bitcoin-style public-ledger system that somehow uses Chaumian blinded keys instead of ditching anonymity entirely.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#58
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the reddit thread has already been removed. Can we get this HN thread hidden? Or at least the title updated?

Reddit post still shows for me...

The link is still active, but notice the "[removed]", and that it does not appear on /r/bitcoin.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#59
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Google - $14,281.50

The point isn't that those 50 Bitcoins are worth $14k, it's that he owns up to a million of them, and nobody is sure who he is or whether he still had control of those coins. This seems to prove that he does, unless blockchain.info is wrong.

> it's that he owns up to a million of them

We have no evidence that that is true, however it is widely speculated and believed to be so.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto moves his 6.5 yr old bitcoins

#60

For those not aware, the original 50 coins sent to this address were generated from the genesis block, the first block on the blockchain. However, the transaction is still unconfirmed, so until it is this could be nothing. Market has been scared downwards though.

How do you determine that is from the genesis block? Also how do you know it is Sataoshi's? Because it is from the Genesis or is there some other method?
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