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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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FWIW I'm not going to offer an opinion on whether 20+% is a good tip, but tipping with a credit card has a lower value to the server. All tips are notionally taxable income, whether a server chooses to declare all their cash tips is their choice, when you tip with a credit card it stops being their choice - and there's no way of telling how much of the tip is diverted by the establishment.

This isn't always true.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Video all interactions with police more serious than a traffic stop and video those if you can get away with it legally. Cameras are cheap and Internet streaming is easy.

recording of police is illegal in many cities - and i mean the voice recording. unless there's an app that lets u record without sound i'd say do not record.

Secret recording is illegal in 12 states, the ones that are two-party consent states. These states require all parties to know that they are being recorded.

Openly recording the police is prohibited in two states - Illinois and Massachusetts. Every other state, you have the right to record the police, as long as you do it openly.

Now, there are a few things that go along with this. You are not allowed to interfere with the investigation. So, for example, you can stand a respectful distance away and start recording. You cannot run up to the cop's face and yell "AM I BEING DETAINED?!"

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The issue with the idea 'some good cops vs some bad cops' is that the good ones will still protect and aid the bad ones.

> they 'good ones' will still protect and aid the 'bad ones'. Those aren't good cops.

And this comment does not grasp the issue. For practical purposes, you'd better assume there are no cops who are that good. In cop land, that would be 'saintly'

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Never underestimate mob mentality. When one officer apologizes for another, its simply a case of good cop bad cop and that officer excusing themselves for the same behavior on a different day.

This is the problem with creating an underclass of criminals in the first place, it excuses vast overreach in the execution of even the simplest tasks of law enforcement, to intimidate and exert power over another, and to simply abuse.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Because drunks don't deserve equal protection under (and from) the law, especially when phoning in an accident, amirite? C'mon, dude. Note to self: don't pitch to cops at scene of accident.

> Note to self: don't pitch to cops at scene of accident. B-b-but I feel it’s a way to make the world around me better, to bring people joy through better food!

The advice given for dealing with cops seems like the advice given for being in a bad area of town.

"Keep your head down, don't give them any lip. Don't say anything unless you don't have to and certainly don't diss them in any way, you'll probably be fine..."

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post #435

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Isn't the wording 'convicted of a crime' rather than 'arrested'... you could be arrested, and then let go without being charged or convicted of anything.

It's usually "convicted of a felony or alcohol related offense". Being arrested usually has no negative impact on your job prospects unless you are also charged and convicted (of a felony). Arrest records do come up in the system when a background check is run as I can vouch for personally. They also come up (in Colorado) with the initially charged crime whether or not the charge was changed or dismissed. This has ne…

I have filled out job applications that ask if you have ever been arrested, specifically clarifying "whether or not convicted".

Getting involved with "the system" in any way, even if you're not guilty, appears to be a red flag for some employers.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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I'll respond to this in the same way that I responded to another user posing the same questions. Who says that they don't speak out about this sort of stuff? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops?

If you are a police officer tasked with enforcing the law, and you see coworkers of yours breaking the law by kidnapping people like the one in the OP, why would you not arrest your coworkers?

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2014/feb/11/florida-highway-p...

Unfortunately, there are a lot of police officers who are thugs.

It's frustrating; I personally know a few cops who are decent enough people, but they protect their own. They don't do this because they like protecting shitbags; they do it because if they don't protect everyone, they run the risk of getting their own careers ruined by bullshit accusations. The result, of course, is that the good cops get protected from bullshit, but at the cost of protecting the bad ones as well.

They are completely inflexible about it. Their attitude is, "Well, that's too bad for the poor bastards who get brutalized. I have a wife and kids to feed, and I care far more about their future than the well-being of some random guy."

So, people who violate this sort of immunity get bullied and harassed.

I understand this mindset, although I find it repulsive. I think that the only way to prevent this is to smarten the review process and make it easier to get to the bottom of complaints. This would require constant video recording and a smart Internal Review staff who can differentiate between abuse and the necessary use of force.

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post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

Cops are in a weird place. People don't like them until they need them. I work with a lot of cops and most of them are good (and yes they can occasionally get overreaching) but that generalization widens the divide between on-duty police officers and civilians. I would say if we treated them like I get treated being part time Military (hand shaken, dinners, etc) that they will be better people. You'll also see less of this.

Humans like positive situations, they like being praised, they like feeling loved and needed. They will defend the things they hold dear.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Unlike the author here, Trayvon Martin was an actual bad actor.

It was perhaps an unnecessarily polarizing example, but it was the first and only thing that came to mind regarding "move" as pertaining to a lawful order without digging up the name of the rather obscure case that recently got a verdict (wherein it was determined that the officer had no authority to tell the citizen to move, that it was indeed an abuse of authority, and paired with 120+ other abuse of power complain…

I don't think it was a bad example. Are 911 dispatchers law enforcement officers? They seem like they're usually wrong in the advice they give.

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Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Thanks for sharing. When I read stories like this and the original article, I genuinely wonder how long it will be before the people start to fight back. And I mean literally fight. I'm not for a second suggesting that any individual should fight or even argue with the police, but I can't imagine how an entire society can tolerate this kind of behavior from the police. As much as I hate to say it, it really only seem…

The people are bloated on Big Macs and television.
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