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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by larodi »

decimalenough wrote: post #411
m00x wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

"Very happy" is a bit of a stretch, since a significant proportion of Taiwan would prefer to jettison the current pretence of being "One China" and become fully independent. But I agree that pretty much everybody will happily take the status quo over armed invasion.

Considering all said so far, and events, it perhaps hardly makes real difference in the diamond era's franchised world.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by smallmancontrov »

andelink wrote: post #454
smallmancontrov wrote: post #424

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Hamilton set the strategic agenda. Do you want to argue that US industrialization didn't follow the broad strokes of this plan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_on_Manufactures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics) Parallel: the industrialization of China for the most part happened after Deng Xiaoping, but are people wrong to credit him for setting the course?

I mean, Deng Xiaoping is/was a huge influence in _our_ lifetimes. It was only the 1970s, just fifty years ago, when he was effectively the head of state. That’s like yesterday. I’m not saying Hamilton doesn’t have the influence you’re describing, but it’s not really an equal comparison given the huge difference in timeframes. Late 1700s is a ways away vs the 70s.

You're pivoting. Alexander Hamilton had the influence on America's foreign policy that I said he had.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

cgio wrote: post #455
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #431

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It technically does not matter today. Sure the SOTA fabs only exist in a few places, but it’s not like a 2010/2015/2020 era chip is unusable trash. All of which are more geographically distributed.

For any critical workload a chip is considered trash after 5-7 years. They still run , of course, but increased incidents on platforms that are supposed to be 99.99 are hard to work with. Now if you mean there’s unused stock of those , that would maybe work, but I am not aware of significant unused stocks.

I am talking about making new chips on older nodes. If China can only build 7nm, but TSMC is at 3nm, that’s unfortunate, but they will survive.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by paimapi »

sekh60 wrote: post #157
pandemic_region wrote: post #145

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To be fair, describing the internet as a series of tubes is rather technical to some extent.

If they said "pipes" network admins probably would have given it a pass.

we had one chance to elect that technocrat who could have set us on the path that the PRC is on now. instead, we decided it was more important to feel like we could have a beer with the President and so ended up invading Iraq and Afghanistan instead

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Alpha3031 »

angry_octet wrote: post #443

Anyone can make a fast CPU, but is it also a safe and secure CPU? Or does it have architectural defects as a consequence of the race to be fast? See eg LoongLeak and the Loongson processor: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity26/presentat...

Xiaomi are implementing ARM cores on an ARM ISA so any architectural defects would also affect other ARM processors.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #410
m00x wrote: post #400

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I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

My bet would be that invasion wouldn't look like quick war, but slow control of political power either through light force like economic blackmail, or through something similar to what US did with Venezuela. Now that US has already opened the gate to labelling nation head as drug seller, this just eases things for China.

Any country that competently adopts Ukrainian drone technology cannot effectively be invaded currently. And that's for a continental invasion.

Taiwan? All surface ships are sitting ducks. Troop transport ships would get absolutely decimated, and then the landing troops would get swarmed by drones all over again, and then they have to maintain logistics to the small minority that land (good luck with that). And that's without naval drones.

With naval drones? I have no idea how China gets anything across the strait.

And all the above is true for a competently organized Chinese invasion. Which it won't be.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Barrin92 »

InTheArena wrote: post #288
Dah00n wrote: post #270

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Do you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?

There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things - starting with clipper. Pushback is not always successful - but it's far more transparent then China.

>There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things

A bit of selective memory necessary for that take given good old Crypto AG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Mistletoe »

Danox wrote: post #380
Grombobulous wrote: post #208

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I think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too. When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.” Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or che…

The west is interested in funneling most of the money to the top no matter what for the last 60 years that has been the drum beat/cry It can’t be done. It can’t be done. In America, there is one fast food place that does it differently than everyone in the market they don’t franchise and they don’t lease/rent. They own everything as they expand (the land and the building), which means it’s a little bit slower when yo…

Who is the fast food place?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by wolvoleo »

decimalenough wrote: post #411
m00x wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

"Very happy" is a bit of a stretch, since a significant proportion of Taiwan would prefer to jettison the current pretence of being "One China" and become fully independent. But I agree that pretty much everybody will happily take the status quo over armed invasion.

I have a friend in Taiwan and he told me they're pretty happy because they have independence this way. If they go for more international recognition etc they'll gain nothing they don't already have but they'll upset the balance and give the CCP a reason to invade. So it will only make things worse.

And a lot of people are sympathetic with the Chinese, just not their government.

I've only visited Taiwan once and I only have one friend there so perhaps what I'm hearing is not accurate.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by lbrito »

Lagoon3384_SWE wrote: post #181

This site is just crazy pro-china now. Guess that happens when non-westerners dominate online, sadly.

That's a profoundly strange take. I've never in my life seen a more anti-China technology forum than HN. Whatever the headline is, say "CO2 levels have been falling for 21 months", if it has "China" in it, it will be ignored. If it has "US", it will make the front page for days. Try Algolia and see for yourself.
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