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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by avadodin »

cheesecakegood wrote: post #463
webninja wrote: post #449

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You lost me when you said trains and cars shouldn’t go over 30mph. Lol, this sounds like Amish propaganda. Go buy your horse and buggy

Another dry sarcasm victim. If you check the link, it’s clear they were talking about a supposed contemporary concern about health effects from trains, the implication being that today people are also irrationally afraid of tech. Problem is I’m fairly sure the link is wildly overstating its case, and looks like a content farm. Might even be, ironically, AI slop itself! For example, it talks about “railway spine”: “Ph…

A common belief right now in the US military is that even the blast of a high caliber ammunition round may scramble your brain and give you "PTSD".

It does line up with "PTSD" only becoming a thing after WWI.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by trolleski »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

I mean... I'm sure SS had wives and kids. It doesn't mean we should focus on that while analyzing their impact on the world.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by abustamam »

Alcor wrote: post #480
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #455

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It's already been trained. GDM said it was going to be released and it hasn't yet. Not sure why so much snark

Don’t ask engineers at big companies for release dates, they either don’t know or are not at liberty to say.

Don't even ask me at a small company for release dates

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Post by macwhisperer »

I feel like all the ppl complaining itt don't even run open weight models.. wahh billionaire bad is true, but you are missing the forrest for the trees.. they are literally bending the knee and ur mad about it? it literally means local models won.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by GlacierFox »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

It's easy to appear to have good intentions when you're railing against the companies that have decimated your output and made you [Meta] almost irrelevant in the AI 'race'.

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Post by maffulli »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #373
axegon_ wrote: post #239

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That's simply not true. The reason why llama is open source is simply because it got leaked, then llama.cpp was the real game changer which was built from the ground up in depressingly short amount of time. Meta had no choice but to take the L and "support" the open source community. The angry "I-hate-you-and-I-hope-you-die" kind of support.

> The reason why llama is open source Llama has never been open source. It's source-available, but still proprietary, under terms that (among other things) say "no competing with us, you have to buy a license for that".

If you read the license, you'd realize that Llama has restrictions incompatible with the definition of Open Source.

https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-license-is-still-not...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by maffulli »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Except that Llama's license has restrictions that make it incompatible with the Open Source Definition. https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-license-is-still-not... I haven't checked the license of the new models, yet.

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Post by sarjann »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Fundamentally I always try to look at incentives. It's not that they are good or bad but that incentives favour certain behaviours.

Google is incentivised to collect a bunch of data (like FB) to improve their ad serving etc. Apple does not have that incentive as they don't make as much off advertising as hardware / app revenue.

NVIDIA is friendly with open source as they want to commoditise the model layer and take the gains in the hardware / data center layer.

I am trying to think what the incentive is here.

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Post by dbspin »

nradov wrote: post #245
dbspin wrote: post #70

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I'd like to question that premise. Open models are great for research, privacy, cost, customisation and a host of other things... But they're also going to be the engine that breaks the world. I'm already surprised that we haven't seen Llama / Qwen + Whisper automated spear phishing at scale. It's literally just a matter of time. Given the incredible progress in image and video generation, it's been clear for a coupl…

Spear phishing isn't a real problem. Competent organizations have already implemented sufficient defenses and controls, regardless of whether the attacker is a human or LLM. Idiots will continue getting scammed but that's nothing new. I expect that many small businesses and local governments will be essentially forced to outsource their IT infrastructure to large vendors that can maintain hardened systems appropriate…

Not spear phishing in organisations... Spear phishing against individual people. Your grandmother, your aged uncle...

Your comment on nuclear waste is so ill considered and poorly informed it's not worth responding to.

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