Similarly there is research that shows the quality of LLM outputs strongly correlate with the education level (in the field) of the person promoting them.
LLMs reward expertise
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Re: LLMs reward expertise
#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. The post read to me as another variation of the denial that people with expertise are reaching for right now. My sense is that we as programmers went through it over a year ago already (perhaps not all of us, but at least anyone paying attention), and so it's easy to overlook that it's still new to people who do other forms of "knowledge work," i.e. people whose identity is bound up with their expertise. My…
Have you considered the possibility that you're simply not as good as the experts, and that your experience of LLMs being capable of performing your work up to your standards doesn't imply that experts are necessarily in denial?
Being fairly at expert level in a "solved" domain (for some definition of solved) but also having near-expert level proficiency in a non-technical as-yet "unsolved" domain and watching the process repeat there (and watching how people react as inroads are made progressively deeper) is basically my own standpoint. But I am intentionally using "solved" and "unsolved" very loosely here: you can get stuck in the thicket of arguments about verifiable domains, what it means for a domain to be solved, whether a set of evals can tell us something has been solved or not, and so on. One way to avoid that (as my original comment pointed to) and focus on what matters for us is to look instead at the effects being produced in the work process and on the division of labor as a whole.
Re: LLMs reward expertise
#493They may reward it but they don't build it, and therein lies the paradox
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#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes? My point is that for what I do - low level systems and embedded stuff - nestJS is really not something that I need or want to know about. I just want a good dashboard. Now thanks to LLMs, I can focus on the fun and interesting stuff.
My point is that it’s not even called nestJS
maybe you are confusing the fact that 2 bad frameworks exist with similar names, nextjs and nestjs
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#495I did a test a few months ago. A friend of mine wanted to develop what i understood to be a simple single page web app. But since she didn’t have any software engineering experience she asked me to help. Around that time everyone was talking about how literally anyone can develop software with LLMs i asked her if she could give it a try first, and if I could watch the attempt. I was fully expecting that writing the c…
This sort of thing has been studied in academic experiments. Although the models studied are now “old”, and I expect the floor is higher, the lack of vocabulary and basic concept familiarity sets the ceiling.
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#496What a nothing-burger. Garbage in garbage out. Hasn't everyone who worked with LLM's experienced this?
Re: LLMs reward expertise
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. The post read to me as another variation of the denial that people with expertise are reaching for right now. My sense is that we as programmers went through it over a year ago already (perhaps not all of us, but at least anyone paying attention), and so it's easy to overlook that it's still new to people who do other forms of "knowledge work," i.e. people whose identity is bound up with their expertise. My…
Did you maybe consider that the 10 year timeline is not denial, but actually well educated reasoning based on Yuval’s experience and understanding of the problem space? You shouldn’t dismiss people’s thoughts as denial just because they don’t match your perspective.
I would guess if asked Harari would actually revise that lower. The point was: even those arguing most strongly that AI is an autonomous historical force can slide back into the mere abstract recognition of it. In context, Harari was saying "I'm speaking to you as a writer now, but my own standpoint will eventually be undermined." I'm saying "yes, and your 10-year timeline suggests you along with all of us are not taking your own thesis seriously enough."
Re: LLMs reward expertise
#498I did a test a few months ago. A friend of mine wanted to develop what i understood to be a simple single page web app. But since she didn’t have any software engineering experience she asked me to help. Around that time everyone was talking about how literally anyone can develop software with LLMs i asked her if she could give it a try first, and if I could watch the attempt. I was fully expecting that writing the c…
I am reminded of this one:
https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Could-You-Explain-Programmi...
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#499Earlier quoted context omitted.
Off topic, but stretching is absolutely useless for ... stretching. And vital for retaining and enhancing usable range of motion (not static stretching, still, but dynamic stretching / mobility under tension). The wildest thing is, there's no evidence that I can find that static stretching does... anything? It increases pain tolerance through the range of motion, but not any more than just asking people to try harder…
"And vital for retaining and enhancing usable range of motion (not static stretching, still, but dynamic stretching / mobility under tension)." I'm doing it for knee pain. It's possible it's a placebo because there is a slight strength training component to the whole thing (it's several exercises), although the knee pain has persisted through a lot of strengthening of my leg in general. This falls under "don't care"…
It’s not a placebo. I’m not sure exactly which Chocrane review the GP is talking about but if it’s the one I’m thinking of, the headline is that stretching doesn’t help muscle soreness [1] (delayed onset muscle soreness specifically).
You should absolutely keep stretching to help with your injury, and there is decades of “sport science” to back that up.
[1] https://www.cochrane.org/evidence/CD004577_stretching-preven... - there’s another one about joint deformities which is far more interesting, but less relevant to this discussion
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#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
Open any chat window and ask for a simple SPA with startup instructions. It's fine, it's fine, it works.
And you think a random John/Jane Doe knows what a SPA is?
No, but I bet this has a high likelihood of coming out in preliminary discussions.
What most likely happens is a normie has no idea of how to build something that does nothing first - they just start describing the end state.
I'm going to try this with my wife later today. I bet she'd sort something out since she's been a manager forever and phases out instructions maddeningly