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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by mlrtime »

cmovq wrote: post #258
namdnay wrote: post #251

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> having to look down at the center of my dashboard that's why more recent models move the screen higher up. it sometimes looks a bit silly (like they glued an ipad on top of the dashboard), but it's a lot more usable > HUD that projected my location, speed, heading and turn by turn navigation (with lane info!) onto the windshield the latest carplay implementations are compatible with the inbuilt navigation aids, so…

I wish everyone would just have an option to see the navigation the the gauge cluster.

After using a HUD , I don't want to go back to gauge cluster.

We all know driving looking at a phone is bad, starring at your cluster for a few seconds can also be bad.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

bjord wrote: post #489
Telaneo wrote: post #458

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My Kia Soul has a version of this, but it doesn't integrate with Carplay, and the maps that came with the car are already outdated enough to bother me.

you actually may be able to update these. it's worth looking into.

The maps? Why would I bother when I can use Carplay instead?

The car's integration with Carplay? Even models that are 4 years newer than mine seem to still not have this. Not sure what's going on there.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bluGill »

bdavbdav wrote: post #236
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Not only does it irritate me not having it in a practical sense, it’s also an arrogance on behalf of the manufacturer. “We can do it better than iOS/Android”, or “We have a better reason to do it”. No, and No.

They can do it better than your phone but only if you are a professional driver in your car for at least four hours a day. The typical person spending half an hour going to work or going to get groceries has everything on their phone and the hassle of setting up their card just how they want it isn't worth it. The typical person also is more likely to be thinking the address I need to go is in my calendar system and that's going to be more hassle getting into the car then the open in maps function from the phone.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by sorenjan »

neogodless wrote: post #475

> that’s not the way we see ourselves interacting with our users You lost me right there Rivian. Start picturing yourselves worrying more about how your users picture themselves interacting with THEIR car... and stop worrying about controlling interactions between you and your users. Switch your frame of thinking around.

This is the problem with so many modern companies. Instead of focusing on building great products that their customers will enjoy using, they're trying to build relationships with users.

Maybe I'm overthinking things, but to me "user" implies a different more subordinate role where you take what you get, there's no "the customer is always right" when it comes to "users".

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bluGill »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #319
sokoloff wrote: post #276

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Did I just read an argument that it’s easier or safer to manually check your tire pressures rather than having the car do it automatically every time the car drives fast enough to “wake up” the TPMS units?

It's easier to do that than to pay to replace them when the battery dies. Just stop adding more unnecessary costs to my car maintenance!

That battery lasts longer than the tire. People sometimes try to say but I don't drive my car much and that doesn't change the math because tires are destroyed not just from the way of driving but also the sun and ozone in the air destroy tires it still needs to be replaced every seven years., it still needs to be replaced every seven years.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bluGill »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #117
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #41

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I literally will not buy a car that has a microprocessor in it (I will, apparently, never buy a car)

The 1977 Oldsmobile Toronado is generally considered to be the first car to have microprocessor control. But Ford's EEC was built around Toshiba's TLCS-12, the world's first 12-bit microprocessor, developed specifically for engine control, and might have been in cars produced prior to 77, but documentation is spotty. So do you only drive cars built prior to the late 70s? Because sacrificing the enormous safety improv…

You can get up to 1983 without computers if that's what you're looking for. 1984, they all had computers. Then if it had a carburetor, there was still a computer somehow controlling that carburetor.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by spovzner »

Android Auto has upgraded Google Assistant to Gemini recently. Huge improvement. All the AI conversations are now available with a single button on your steering wheel. You can say "play that song about [something]" and it will get it most of the time.

Preference for Android Auto/Carplay is much more than (subjectively) better navigation/media. It's about all the other apps that Tesla/Rivian don't support like WhatsApp, Waze, etc.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by [deleted] »

vincefutr23 wrote: post #173
faitswulff wrote: post #104

Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but CarPlay / Android Auto aren't just features, they're consistency . Across makes, models, years. I know what I'm getting when I connect my phone - and if anyone uses my car with their own device, they get their own dashboard, as well. One interesting use case I saw was a couple where one used a left-to-right interface and the other a right-to-left UI. CarPlay makes this easy…

How could you say something so brave yet so true

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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by flyingshelf »

massysett wrote: post #451

I think CarPlay is evidence of failure. My aim is device independence. In the old days, to print I had to hook up my printer to a computer. To print from a computer on the network, I needed a print server. I had to administer that. Now the printer itself hooks to the network, which is far superior. I have an older thermostat which allows me to program vacations directly on the unit. This is superior to the newer ther…

You're absolutely right, but I don’t think we'll ever get to a point in which what a car ships is better than what Apple ships. This only gets worse over time when you have a new iPhone and a 10-year-old infotainment system, it's just not possible.

Car automakers are not going to support your infotainment system (for free) even just 5 years down the line.

Even just thinking about the integrations gives me a headache (will my music app work on my car? how do I transfer my trip from Google Maps on my phone to my car?)

So the solution for today and tomorrow is to just stream your entire phone to the car.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by afandian »

Telaneo wrote: post #479
afandian wrote: post #473

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It's a quite old, third-hand car. But there are plenty of people reporting the same thing. But why can't my iPhone let me set permissions for the thing I plug it into? It's unreasonable to prevent me from changing the audio output. Examples: - https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/mp3-ipod-random-play-p... - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254051162?sortBy=rank

> It's a quite old, third-hand car. But there are plenty of people reporting the same thing. Presumably it's been a problem since day 1. Meaning it was broken on day 1. > But why can't my iPhone let me set permissions for the thing I plug it into? There's the 'trust this device?' popup that should prevent the problem if you don't want the car to do anything with your device. If you want finder control, then from Appl…

Thanks, I might try and reset that 'trust'. I don't recall if it popped up or not originally.
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