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A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by xingped »

hinkley wrote: post #448
soco wrote: post #421

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Who the hell wants to walk to data centers? From residential houses or whatever.

One of the key skills of a software developer is inference and you guys need to go get some more coffee and come back and try reading this thread again.

For code only, even then only sometimes or even rarely. The HN comments section is like a gold mine of the Dunning Kruger effect for social awareness/intelligence. It's not even worth pointing out because you'll just get 5 paragraphs in response of "no, you're wrong because I'm smart and so I'm right". It's exhausting.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by marcus_holmes »

Aloisius wrote: post #376
hilbert42 wrote: post #338

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What is left when all other options are exhausted? The American War of Independence, French Revolution and English Civil War were acts of terrorism. Were those acts justified? Not if you're the ones who were initially holding the power.

Calling the American Revolution terrorism, in the modern sense, is a stretch. It was a war waged primarily between soldiers and materiel with the goal of ending the enemy's ability to wage war. Systematic use of terror as a policy to induce fear in the general public to push them to coerce their government's policy was not widely used.

If Palestine Action committed terrorism then absolutely the American Revolution was a terrorist act.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by chmod775 »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #463

Gonna play a little devil's advocate here. Setting aside whether I think data centers or good or bad and just focusing on the sale of the land (for whatever purpose). The land was donated back in 99 and looks like they never followed through on making it anything. Which is pretty shitty to Mr Bland's vision. Though that donation itself is a bit weird because literally on the just the other side of the neighborhood is…

Calling that a park is stretching it, even if someone named it "park". That's a playground, some grass, and a parking space. Not something where you can enjoy a stroll for a couple hours.

A city of ~20k doesn't have to go crazy here, but surely you can maintain something nicer (especially once you have that data center money!)

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by IX-103 »

mc32 wrote: post #432
pesus wrote: post #355

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And if there isn't violence, the police tend to escalate things and make it violent. I suspect this works to prevent/neuter any serious protests so long as the potential protestors still have something to lose, and in America there is very little in the way of a safety net, so living conditions would have to (continue to?) deteriorate quite a bit before protests started heading in a French direction.

I don't know if you know, but quite a few European countries are known to send police or "state" confederates into protests to give authorities an excuse to Escalate. You also see lots more water cannons being used over there. In Paris the burning and destruction typically happens in the outer "boroughs" of the city -usually by disaffected groups -sometimes they happen to be disenfranchised- though typically they har…

So your "evidence" is the transcript of an interview that references an indictment containing information that hasn't been publicly substantiated.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

zug_zug wrote: post #279

It's exhausting that the "solution" to problems like this is getting tens or hundreds of thousands of citizens stressed until enough public attention gives some small chance of redress. I'm not calling for violence, but if we can't get these things fixed in court there has to be a more effect and more forceful avenue for protest than venting on internet forums.

I’ve organized so much that I’m exhausted from organizing

but if somebody else wants to organize I will 100% show up

So consider me first on the list of people ready to do whatever it takes to fix this shit

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by yongjik »

segmondy wrote: post #357
ramgine wrote: post #326

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American police are much more inclined to escalate any violence instead of trying to de-escalate.

Only because the people don't fight back. If they know that folks would fight back, they would behave themselves in the most polite and proper ways you won't believe.

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? As far as I know, America is the only nominally democratic country where cops routinely shoot people, and their number one excuse is that they thought they could be shot.

Nothing makes cops more trigger-itchy than the thought that a random stranger could "fight back" any moment.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by gustavus »

chmod775 wrote: post #494
ticulatedspline wrote: post #463

Gonna play a little devil's advocate here. Setting aside whether I think data centers or good or bad and just focusing on the sale of the land (for whatever purpose). The land was donated back in 99 and looks like they never followed through on making it anything. Which is pretty shitty to Mr Bland's vision. Though that donation itself is a bit weird because literally on the just the other side of the neighborhood is…

Calling that a park is stretching it, even if someone named it "park". That's a playground, some grass, and a parking space. Not something where you can enjoy a stroll for a couple hours. A city of ~20k doesn't have to go crazy here, but surely you can maintain something nicer (especially once you have that data center money!)

I recently moved from the inter-mountain West to the east and that is one thing that is fascinating to me is how differently the term park is used between the 2.

Out west a couple of swing sets and a slide with a small patch of grass is considered a park whereas out east a park is multi acre wilderness with trees streams and miles of trails.

It's just funny to me how even though it's the same country it's 2 totally different things meant by the word "park"

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by prawn »

hinkley wrote: post #451
Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #345

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Mwah, that depends on what you consider walking distance. I remember walking back from a Rite-Aid in SF when attending an IETF conference, entering the conference hotel and being asked by other attendees 'where the hell I managed to find a Rite-Aid here'? Well, it may have been a 1.5 km walk but it was there, sure enough. I did not look it up beforehand, just started walking out of the centre and found one. Sure, if…

I mean to be fair if you add that 3km onto the walking you're already doing for the conference, that's a lot for most of us. Zigzagging a conference floor all day is a LOT of steps.

Not sure if this is sarcastic? It's like 20 minutes each way if you're not walking that quickly?

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by [deleted] »

mfcl wrote: post #453
whack wrote: post #443

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> the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. I'm trying to wrap my head around this as well. Do these people want "punching the police and lighting things on fire" to be a freely permitted form of free speech? If so, should anyone be legally allowed to destroy any amount of stuff, for any reason they feel unhappy about? Or is this a case of "blowing stuff up should…

No, it should be illegal, otherwise everything would get destroyed whenever someone is slightly destroyed. Illegality serves as a kind of filter so that when enough people risk jail or death for a cause, that's because they really had enough. I haven't given that a lot of thought, and it feels weird to say, but maybe the opinion that an act should be done and should be illegal can be true at the same time. When a cit…

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