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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by morby »

bushbaba wrote: post #122
mentalgear wrote: post #114

> Top U.S. officials often take extra care when traveling to Israel, sometimes using burner phones and computers and taking extreme caution when speaking in hotel rooms during official trips, the current and former U.S. officials and experts said. > Israel has “a hyper-aggressive intelligence service,” said Emily Harding, vice president of the Defense and Security Department and director of the intelligence, national…

The top U.S. officials do the same when traveling to any country. Everyone does this to everyone else.

Not true. Israel has a reputation for being exceedingly intrusive and aggresssive with US personnel. Just go watch intel community interviews online.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by morby »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #460
jraby3 wrote: post #423

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US gives Israel weapons not money.

We give both. We currently have an MOU to provide Israel with $3.8B a year, including $500 allocated for missile defense, through 2028. This is distinct from direct military aid. In total we have furnished nearly $100B since Israel's founding.

People always mention the direct foreign aid but fail to mention all the other money flows. They receive many times more money each year in private investment and open trade agreements. I believe the figure is close to 90-100 billion USD each year going to Israel from the US. This doesn’t include the free movement of Americans to Israel for tourism, owning a second home, etc.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by g8oz »

expedition32 wrote: post #455
slg wrote: post #331

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

Ah but this is were the Temple will fall a second time! Because the interests of Jews and Christians do not and never will align. Already there are reports of orthodox Jews harassing Christians...

"Christians in Jerusalem fear rising violence"

https://p.dw.com/p/5ELHW

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by hackandthink »

watwut wrote: post #441
jmyeet wrote: post #372

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This is a hotly debated topic. The John Mearsheimer view is that "The Lobby" [1] has effective control over US foreign policy. There's a lot of evidence for this such as AIPAC indirectly unseating anti-Israel candidates. The Thomas Massie primary was the most expensive in history. $35 million. For a primary . Noam Chomsky on the other hand rejects the notion of "the lobby" [2], instead arguing that Israel is an tool…

John Mearsheimer fully discredited himself around the start of Ukrainian war.

Mearsheimer was right: Putin wrecks Ukraine.

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-t...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by lobocinza »

slg wrote: post #331
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

Let's not forget the asymmetry. If someone calls that modern Israel isn't the biblical Israel and that in biblical terms it's closer to the "synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9) it risks being persecuted, ostracized, fired, prosecuted, jailed, murdered.

You shouldn't dismiss Israel power in cultural warfare, financial and political ties. Epstein was probably the tip of the iceberg.

And that can be recognized without diminishing the intrinsic dignity of every human being that live in Israel and outside of it independently of race, nationality, religion, etc.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by lobocinza »

ab5tract wrote: post #431
marcosdumay wrote: post #389

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Hum... I don't think Chomsky's opinion on the matter has any relevance at all. He's there right at the Lobby. We have no way at all of knowing he's saying it doesn't matter because he saw it doesn't matter, or because it dictates what he says.

What? Noam Chomsky has been labeled a self hating anti-Semite by AIPAC. For decades.

The same Noam Chomsky which was a friend of Epstein which had ties to Israel high schelon.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by pvaldes »

pvaldes wrote: post #456
lostlogin wrote: post #6

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Is even dumber than that. Funds for Israel flow. Trump was yelling expletives down the phone at Netanyahu this week. Trump has been leading an Israeli war. It’s dizzying, and it’s almost as though there is a lack of sound minds involved. Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on?

> Trump was yelling expletives We can assume that the conversation didn't went the way that Trump wants us to think. When somebody annoys Trump, even slightly, he assures to appear on video broadcasted to the whole planet calling infantile expletives to that "ugly" and "incompetent" person. It does not matter if he called "beautiful" and "expert" that same person on the previous hour. As a good narcissist, he will fo…

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