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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by mindslight »

mothballed wrote: post #478
mindslight wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The market efficiency it presumes is that an appeal to value is actually a rational actionable appeal to the government actor. That seems to be the whole point of the question (paraphrased) "can't you see the value of the thing we're losing" and speaking that to someone who stands to capture the value via tax receipts. Ah, no, but at least this puts our difference in stark relief. One can rationally appeal to gover…

So you're back to to "fallacy" of market efficiency, expecting private actors to advocate to foot taxes with an expected ROI from capturing the value delivered by government implementation of the program. Yes you can appeal to the government without appealing to tax receipts, but under a value proposition premise we have here it's conditional upon the market being 'efficient' enough that either the private actors rea…

> So you're back to to "fallacy" of market efficiency, expecting private actors to advocate to foot taxes with an expected ROI from capturing the value delivered

Or I'm pointing to the existence of arguments that fall outside of your paradigm of reasoning through direct economic self interest.

I'd guess the flip flopping you're feeling here comes from trying to shoehorn my argument into your paradigm, and it not fitting. The resulting logical contradiction does not imply an error in my argument, but rather the inapplicability of the paradigm you're attempting to use.

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Post by anonymars »

dotancohen wrote: post #467
anonymars wrote: post #464

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Why would the US news media seek to weaken US influence (or stop war)? Seems much simpler to assume that "sensationalism sells"

I suggest that you query for "Qatari influence in US media" in your favourite search engine or LLM. Many media bodies operating in the land of the free do not represent the interests of the people of that land.

But I'm still not really seeing what the US would have been otherwise likely to do to "win" in Afghanistan? Is the implication that they somehow convinced Trump to prematurely withdraw from Afghanistan because the Taliban were merely sheepherders? Qatari influence certainly didn't seem to play much of a role in his actions this time around

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Post by cmxch »

estearum wrote: post #398
cmxch wrote: post #390

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Upside - Aspen loses it’s arrogant environmentalists and it starts mining silver again.

Wow yeah such a great upside! Eradicating species, destroying economies, and eliminating entire ways to enjoy nature's bounty here on earth –– a small price to pay to hurr hur hurrr... own the libs ;) The DSM needs to be updated soon for this type of sociopathic cynicism. It can't be kept with the rest of society.

Less Aspen arrogance is a net positive for America, at the cost of dethroning a few deep pocketed environmentalists.

If you can find a cleaner way to do it, I’m all ears.

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Post by tombert »

xp84 wrote: post #489
xp84 wrote: post #246

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All the tariffs were stupid, Trump is mostly stupid and completely corrupt, but voters felt a justifiable need to punish the Democrats for a presidency where they were gaslit every day. Inflation? What inflation? And the economy is great, actually! Biden’s mind is sharp as a tack! etc. That’s before you get into culture war social issues topics, where the Democrats were miles away from the average non-blue-haired vot…

Case in point, the several proud Democrats I've offended, who can't refute any of this reality, the downvote being their only copium.

It's just the same old "blame everyone but the idiots that voted for Trump" excuse that was stupid in 2024, 2025, and 2026.

I didn't downvote your comment (and couldn't even if I wanted to because it's a direct reply), but I did think the comment was pretty silly.

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Post by estearum »

cmxch wrote: post #493
estearum wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow yeah such a great upside! Eradicating species, destroying economies, and eliminating entire ways to enjoy nature's bounty here on earth –– a small price to pay to hurr hur hurrr... own the libs ;) The DSM needs to be updated soon for this type of sociopathic cynicism. It can't be kept with the rest of society.

Less Aspen arrogance is a net positive for America, at the cost of dethroning a few deep pocketed environmentalists. If you can find a cleaner way to do it, I’m all ears.

See a therapist.

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Post by tekknik »

runako wrote: post #281
urams wrote: post #267

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I will remember from now on that you can compare war to Lebron playing in a championship game but not to him playing in a pickup game. But to be clear, the comment I replied to was one in which you made an abstract point that it doesn't make a difference to someone if you can do something but in practice don't/aren't willing to and I think that this is obviously wrong (just because Lebron didn't dunk doesn't mean he…

> I will remember from now on that you can compare war to Lebron playing in a championship game but not to him playing in a pickup game. The stakes of a given situation matter to the disposition of the participants. Is this not obvious? I'm really confused as to what your larger point is. Nobody disagrees that the US military can kill untold numbers of people and cause untold damage in Iran and the wider region. Was…

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Post by mothballed »

mindslight wrote: post #491
mothballed wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're back to to "fallacy" of market efficiency, expecting private actors to advocate to foot taxes with an expected ROI from capturing the value delivered by government implementation of the program. Yes you can appeal to the government without appealing to tax receipts, but under a value proposition premise we have here it's conditional upon the market being 'efficient' enough that either the private actors rea…

> So you're back to to "fallacy" of market efficiency, expecting private actors to advocate to foot taxes with an expected ROI from capturing the value delivered Or I'm pointing to the existence of arguments that fall outside of your paradigm of reasoning through direct economic self interest. I'd guess the flip flopping you're feeling here comes from trying to shoehorn my argument into your paradigm, and it not fitt…

>The resulting logical contradiction does not imply an error in my argument, but rather the inapplicability of the paradigm you're attempting to use.

This is a diabolical level of gaslighting to present your logical contradiction as my fault. Perhaps the "shoehorning" you're finding is in fact a function of forcing your reasoning into the premise of appeal to economic value to which I responded while simultaneously damning my response in a way that created a contradiction in your logic.

>>Can you think of any economically valuable reason why it might be important to know about weather trends or events in advance? Any at all?

The whole premise of this was appeal to the economic interest of constituents of the people ending the program.

If you want to pretend like we're addressing an entirely different "argument" in whatever la-la land is existing in your mind right now, so that you can seriously make your statement, I'm not particularly interested in addressing your hallucinatory fantasies. Have a good one.

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Post by asdff »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #406
asdff wrote: post #231

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Normal tweet? What dictionary is menstruators found in?

You're saying your sole criticism of the tweet is that it uses "menstruators" to describe "people who menstruate"?

Normal people would use the word "women" along with appropriate context. Have you ever heard the word "menstruators" in your life?

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Post by b0rtb0rt »

tdb7893 wrote: post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

whatever random factoid you and your PI are investigating in order to get funding is probably less useful than the F35s

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Post by free_bip »

b0rtb0rt wrote: post #499
tdb7893 wrote: post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

whatever random factoid you and your PI are investigating in order to get funding is probably less useful than the F35s

What an incredibly dismissive and nasty comment.
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