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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by skywalqer »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #367
drnick1 wrote: post #313

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Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.

"Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the internet, ..." In fact, the internet was born out of the American military, i.e., government, and American universities, not "American capitalism" The first time I used this internet, there were rules against using it for commerce

But the widespread adoption and cheap client devices are a product of the market economy.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

tardedmeme wrote: post #454
MattDamonSpace wrote: post #434

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The only reason the US Gov had the expertise and resources to fund DARPA in the first place was because it was a massive capitalist country with enormous wealth

Did the USSR have a space program?

Yeah but like didn’t it bankrupt them?

Meanwhile the USA barely blinked at the Space Race spending

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by esseph »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #478
esseph wrote: post #24

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> There's nothing sinister going on here There absolutely is you're just not aware of it. This whole thing is meta financially backing right wing conservative groups that want age verification because meta wants to avoid liability for the harms their platforms cause. In addition, this is the beginning of the end of any sort of anonymity on the internet, which has disastrous consequences for politically minded individ…

Meta already requires your ID to sign up so hasn't anonymity already ended?

How many people do you know signing up for meta accounts?

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by esseph »

palata wrote: post #170
esseph wrote: post #24

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> There's nothing sinister going on here There absolutely is you're just not aware of it. This whole thing is meta financially backing right wing conservative groups that want age verification because meta wants to avoid liability for the harms their platforms cause. In addition, this is the beginning of the end of any sort of anonymity on the internet, which has disastrous consequences for politically minded individ…

> There absolutely is you're just not aware of it. Can you show here that you understand how privacy-preserving age verification works? I mean the rest of your message really, really sounds like you don't. Don't get me wrong: I do agree that identity verification is bad. But it is not okay to say "I know of a system that is bad, and I don't know the nuances of how it could be implemented in a better way, so I will ju…

I trust client side verification to not leak data as much as I trust copilot to not leak data.

Ripe for abuse.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by pixelmelt »

jijijijij wrote: post #445
fsflover wrote: post #338

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I2P already exists and is usable.

But is it resistant to enshittification?

It has about the same problems with finding content that the www has, its just in the earlier stages

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Post by [deleted] »

ishouldstayaway wrote: post #489
techblueberry wrote: post #467

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> They're legally mandating you to give away your child's personal info If you don’t want to use social media you don’t have to give away the info right?

If you don't want to use ~~social media~~ any website that could contain content deemed as "adult". And what's "adult"? Hardcore pornography? Sex ed material? Otherwise-G-rated content that happens to have a gay person in it?

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

matchbok3 wrote: post #408
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #367

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"Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the internet, ..." In fact, the internet was born out of the American military, i.e., government, and American universities, not "American capitalism" The first time I used this internet, there were rules against using it for commerce

The American military would not exist without the economic freedoms we have.

These "economic freedoms", specifically the actions of so-called "tech" companies with respect to the internet, are the cause of "age verfification" legislation

The original internet had rules against using it for commercial activity

It lacked "economic freedoms"

FWIW I still found it worth using at the time, despite no so-called "tech" companies

It also lacked websites of unmanageable size with hundreds of millions of pages of user-generated content used as bait to lure in ad targets for data collection and surveillance, so-called "platforms" or "social media"

It lacked "age verification" to access those websites because those websites did not exist

There will be at least one HN reply arguing that the original internet sucked, or some other brainless dismissal

As if the internet we have now does not suck. Clearly, it does suck for some people

It is not a lack of "economic freedoms" on the internet that has led to "age verification". It's quite the opposite

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

esseph wrote: post #493
chadgpt3 wrote: post #478

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Meta already requires your ID to sign up so hasn't anonymity already ended?

How many people do you know signing up for meta accounts?

We are talking about social media here aren't we? And accessing it anonomously?

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by tardedmeme »

ishouldstayaway wrote: post #490
tardedmeme wrote: post #456

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> It's the digital equivalent of requiring ID to go anywhere or do anything, rather than just a few well-defined things. No, it's social media, specifically. That's why it says social media. It's not everything, it's social media.

For now.

Banning selling alcohol to children is a slippery slope to banning candy and then banning food and then banning giving water to children. Right?
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