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Post by maxglute »

nl wrote: post #339

The Saab GlobalEye is based on the Bombardier Global 6500 airframe. Bombardier Aviation is a Canadian company. For those who aren't aware, the Boeing E7 is yet-another-delayed-Boeing project. The UK has bought it but it has been continually delayed: https://breakingdefense.com/2026/03/uk-defense-official-boei... Australia flies it (an earlier version) but today announced they are also buying three Bombardier Global 6…

GlobalEye still ~20% US components, probably fall into US ITAR/EAR shenanigans territory if US wants to US.

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Post by convolvatron »

dadoum wrote: post #427
lostlogin wrote: post #419

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What? The EU buys them but that’s a US expense?

I think they are saying that the US is required to pay less than the EU? But that's not true based on what I can find anyway, https://app.23degrees.io/view/j4luMuv8fnpO2frL-bar-grouped-v...

based on a video clip I saws recently of Hegseth testifying to the Senate there is an additional ~4B of US military aid to Ukraine which was congressionally authorized some time ago, but still has yet to be distributed.

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Post by bawolff »

lostlogin wrote: post #414
ifwinterco wrote: post #387

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This is 100% true and I agree with all of it, but I would just add that for fighter jets specifically the calculus is a bit different. Unless you want to buy Chinese jets your choices are either F35s or a big step down to 4th generation fighters that are materially worse in terms of capability. Modern 4th gen fighters are still very capable, cheaper, simpler and more reliable, but if you ever do end up facing an adve…

> so the trade off of choosing not to buy F35s is very real Amazing planes and all, but given that America is struggling to win the wars it starts, how useful are they?

They seem to have no problem winning battles though which is the part aircrafts help with.

Winning the war is more about strategy and political savyness.

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Post by dleslie »

ifwinterco wrote: post #387
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #252

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In the past countries would buy American equipment even if it wasn’t the best fit because that would make you essentially an American ally. Being part of the U.S. ecosystem was valuable. Unfortunately, over the last 1.5 years, the political value proposition has turned by 180 degrees. - Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. But the U.S. has been tearing ag…

This is 100% true and I agree with all of it, but I would just add that for fighter jets specifically the calculus is a bit different. Unless you want to buy Chinese jets your choices are either F35s or a big step down to 4th generation fighters that are materially worse in terms of capability. Modern 4th gen fighters are still very capable, cheaper, simpler and more reliable, but if you ever do end up facing an adve…

For most nations, if they find themselves in need of a 5th generation aircraft for defence then they've already lost, or are better served to prepare for a grossly asymmetric battle.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

noir_lord wrote: post #443
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #194

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> Trump has nothing to do with it. Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? I’m curious what I may be missing.

The seventy odd million people who looked at Trump and everything he is and then voted for him. The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump. There is little to trust in the United States at the moment, you look a lot like the Weimar republic.

I guess I internally equate “Trump” and “Trumpism” - who’s to say what the chicken and the egg is with that whole situation.

> The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump.

It is amazing how much people bend the knee to further their own ends. People like Stephen Miller who probably see Trump as a useful idiot, and hold great contempt for him, as long as he can enact his white supremacist agenda.

The leftist circles I run in like to joke that this could’ve just been properly avoided if we hadn’t fumbled reconstruction as a nation.

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Post by alt_422568 »

graemep wrote: post #467
znort_ wrote: post #442

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> russian invasion started in february 2022. 2014 was the https://web.archive.org/web/20140825144115/https://abcnews.g... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226 > ousting of the legitimate government, secession of crimea and donbas, ukraine declaring donbas secessionist to be terrorists and starting a bombing campaign and the civil w That is the Russian argument justifying the invasion. its irrelevant to whet…

There's even a section Wikipedia about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Russian_...

Their final paragraph is straight up conspiracy theory. Little wonder they grumble about Wikipedia in their other comment, rather than linking to a serious source. Tough to do that when no credible sources support your absurd claims.

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Post by gchamonlive »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #357
bluGill wrote: post #277

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Israel's faults do not mean they were not provoked. Iran has been sending everything they can to anyone who wants to harm Israel. What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing.

> What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing. It's certainly easy to say "X provoked Y, ignore what Y did first to provoke X" .

I'm sure there was provocation, but we are taking about nations with extremely long recorded memory, so this back and forth of who did what goes back countless generations. It's utterly disastrous to go through this line of thinking when there are millions of civilians either dead or displaced and vulnerable.

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Post by awfawfatgeatg »

GJim wrote: post #457
pirates wrote: post #449

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No, I think you missed it by a country mile. “Probably” was meant in the sense of “out of all the things the gulf states have reason to be mad at the US about, starting the conflict is ‘probably’ (obviously, lol) the thing they’re most unhappy with”. They weren’t saying the US “probably” started the conflict.

>‘probably’ (obviously, lol) My point precisely.

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Post by znort_ »

mopsi wrote: post #478
znort_ wrote: post #447

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> If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022 that's not what i said, and supporting a warring faction doesn't really qualify as "invasion" nor "taking territory". also, i would recommend very strict skepticism about politically sensitive content on wikipedia. it can still be useful for general timelines, but a simple check at the sources (when there are any) will reveal they tend…

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has established that there was no genuine separatism in Eastern Ukraine in 2014. From the get-go, these were operatives of Russian military and special services, or people under their direct control. Girkin, one of the main leaders of Russian forces in Ukraine, has confirmed the same: there was no grassroots action; it was them who started the war in 2014. Removing insignia f…

without even commenting the evidence considered (mainly 'osint' claims) that ruling completely disregards the right of donbas to self-determination (wether organized or not). it was clearly a political ruling.

you know, as an european over sixty that actually voted to join the eu i have long learned that ... european courts are full of shit, as are most of the institutions of the "international rules based order" btw. i know, that's the best we have. which means we're fucked.

but funnily enough and back to the question: that ruling not even suggests the concepts of "invasion" and "territiorial gains".

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/#{%22fulltext%22:[%22\%22Ukraine%...

one has to wonder... if donbas didn't really want to secede (or didn't know how), and it was all russian troops ... why would kiev shell residential areas in donetsk with massive civilian casualties in july of 2014? so they would actually have a reason to secede? doesn't that court full of shit have a case for that?

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Post by [deleted] »

gchamonlive wrote: post #497
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #357

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> What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing. It's certainly easy to say "X provoked Y, ignore what Y did first to provoke X" .

I'm sure there was provocation, but we are taking about nations with extremely long recorded memory, so this back and forth of who did what goes back countless generations. It's utterly disastrous to go through this line of thinking when there are millions of civilians either dead or displaced and vulnerable.

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