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Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

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Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

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The future is here now, it’s just not evenly distributed. China will mass produce something to the point that it is widely distributed. That is how China acts as a great equalizer on a global scale. Another way China is a great equalizer is their willingness to do business with anyone that can pay.

Isn't any other significant economy willing to do business with anyone that can pay?

No, most of the rest of the large developed economies have some standards (e.g. against buying conflict minerals) and sanctions against certain regimes. China is quite happy to ignore that if they can get away with it.

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

#492

I wonder why the hyperscalers aren't vertically integrating more and building their own fabs. Sure, a fab costs a billion dollars, but they're currently spending hundreds of billions of dollars purchasing chips from NVidia and others.

Another guy answered it ITT. Intel did that, it’s not great because fabs are expensive and risky and it’s less risky to amortize the cost across multiple customers instead of just yourself

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

#493

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There was only a very brief time it was selling for MSRP (last fall for $2000). Even if you use that as the previous data point, it's only 200% increased.

> it's only 200% increased. If it's 4k instead of 2k msrp, that's a 100% increase.

You are correct. I should have said "increased to 200%".

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

#494

I'm not moving past my DDR4 build (and the 32 GB of DDR4 2133 MHz backup chips I still have around from way back, before I got the current 3200 MHz ones) until the prices go back to being at least partially sane. This also means that CPU manufacturers are not getting my money (since the 5800X is fine for now) and I have no reason to get a new GPU either (though admittedly the B580 isn't perfect).

Memory manufactures don't want your money anymore, Micron just left consumer market 6 months ago and says we want to be B2B from now on, and who can blame him? https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-deta...

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

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These kinds of conspiracies require everyone to collude, which just about never happens since the reward to defect increases. If nVidia tries this, they would just lose the market to AMD who would spam out as many GPUs to gamers as they could. If both AMD and nVidia teamed up, it would leave a gap that either intel or some Chinese startup would jump on. It's just far more likely that these GPUs actually do cost a ton…

> These kinds of conspiracies require everyone to collude... No, only Nvidia makes and sells Nvidia GPUs. They're the sole supplier of the GPUs used in 95% of the graphics cards sold in the US. > If both AMD and nVidia teamed up, it would leave a gap that either intel or some Chinese startup would jump on. Fascinating. a) Explain why the only even vaguely-recent cheap video cards were made by Intel, and why it looks…

Not sure the hostility is required here. Gamers don't need nvidia GPUs, they just need GPUs.

Nvidia happens to have been the best option for a long time. But there are many alternatives, game consoles for example aren't particularly tied to the Nvidia/amd market and the ARM space offers tons of options. Apple makes a powerful GPU for their macbooks that isn't dependent on either of the major two.

Valve, Sony, and Nintendo are in a good position to move away from AMD in the future if they aren't providing competitively priced GPUs. Valve has been working on an x86 emulator for ARM for their Steam Frame which would pave the way towards PC games running on ARM chips.

This whole situation is largely like this because demand for hardware spiked rapidly. Processes and production take a long time to change, and no one knows if these prices are long term or if it's going to crash back to normal in a year. If the elevated prices remain for the future, competitors will move in. But they aren't going to develop new products and production in the case where it all crashes back to normal and nvidia continues selling affordable GPUs to gamers.

I just don't see any scenario where nvidia remains the only option while also not selling their GPUs to consumers and requiring them to rent them. By the time that happens the competition would have crushed them.

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

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> These kinds of conspiracies require everyone to collude... No, only Nvidia makes and sells Nvidia GPUs. They're the sole supplier of the GPUs used in 95% of the graphics cards sold in the US. > If both AMD and nVidia teamed up, it would leave a gap that either intel or some Chinese startup would jump on. Fascinating. a) Explain why the only even vaguely-recent cheap video cards were made by Intel, and why it looks…

Not sure the hostility is required here. Gamers don't need nvidia GPUs, they just need GPUs. Nvidia happens to have been the best option for a long time. But there are many alternatives, game consoles for example aren't particularly tied to the Nvidia/amd market and the ARM space offers tons of options. Apple makes a powerful GPU for their macbooks that isn't dependent on either of the major two. Valve, Sony, and Nin…

> Not sure the hostility is required here.

There's no hostility. I'm of the opinion that you're ignorant of the wider political and economic factors that have lead to us being in the situation under discussion. I know it's uncommon for the younger generations to believe that one can say "You're either ignorant or willfully blinding yourself to the entirety of the situation." as a statement of plain fact rather than an insult, but everyone would be better off if they'd permanently load that possibility into their brains.

Regardless, there's nothing two Internet Nobodies can say or do that will have any meaningful effect on the situation under discussion... so I guess we'll wait and see if -in five or ten years- "market forces" have made it so the overwhelming majority of "P"Cs are Chromebook-esque thin clients that are pretty much exclusively used to access subscription -or ad-laden- SAASes.

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

#498

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China is deploying more renewables than most of the world, in some calculations outspending the rest of the world. Chinese per-capita emissions have peaked at lower level than US and are already falling.

According to whom?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita

USA 14.2

Canada 13.42

China 8.66

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

#499

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According to whom?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita USA 14.2 Canada 13.42 China 8.66

Per capita is not a useful metric in this measurement. Why is that such a theme?

Re: Memory has grown to nearly two-thirds of AI chip component costs

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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita USA 14.2 Canada 13.42 China 8.66

Per capita is not a useful metric in this measurement. Why is that such a theme?

Bruh, When there's no data, you ask, "According to whom?" When you have data, you ask, "Why is that such a theme?"
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