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Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by jayGlow »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #355
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #340

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We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up. There's a good chance that the next pandemic is swatted down by LLM-powered vaccine development much faster than COVID-19 was. "We could do without them." is not a great take when it comes to people dying prematurely. In fact, I would bet that this particular technology will lead to climate change solutions eventua…

> LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)

it looks like they have been used at least once to help develop a vaccine. they're not as significant as writing but they do seem to have their uses.

https://theconversation.com/a-man-used-ai-to-help-make-a-can...

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

esseph wrote: post #369
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #355

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> LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)

> Good lord! >I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. --- This has been in use for awhile. https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/ How it gets used: https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/

No, you cannot use LLMs to develop vaccines. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying to you.

Also, you're confusing "AI" and LLMs.

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by Forgeties79 »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #484
Forgeties79 wrote: post #414

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> Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons were assholes in the 1830's. The thing is they don’t control them anymore, governments do by and large now, so a lot of the issues that came with their ownership and special privileges no longer exist. There is no way that is how this is going to go down with Google et al

AI should fall under libraries. It's benefit/value is derived from the knowledge of humankind.

Unfortunately, their unregulated scraping even takes down public libraries.

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by echelon »

dml2135 wrote: post #363
echelon wrote: post #63

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Your wife is right. History is repeating itself. And not even for the first time. Horse carriage drivers -> Cars Print media -> Internet Drafting -> CAD Music -> Electronic music, DAWs Film photography -> Digital Traditional film special effects -> CGI Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy (there are more millionaire creators now than movie stars) In each of these cases, there was a subset of peopl…

You give examples of transitions that happened, but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. It is not self-evident that a change in technology is necessarily an improvement.

> but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off.

Are you kidding?

> Cars

I make weekend trips to the beach and mountains. I can have a nice big house and drive around the metro and visit all kinds of places. I take my family and my dogs with me.

> Internet

The best thing in the entire world. The highlight of my life. My career, my entertainment, how I met my wife. I don't know what you're on about.

> CAD

Pretty much all materials, mechanical, consumer, and industrial innovation. You're welcome.

> Electronic music, DAWs

Dude, most of my favorite music is this. Most of my favorite indie artists only exist because of this.

> Digital

I take so many photos. I wouldn't if it was stupid film. Memories are amazing.

> CGI

Jurassic Park.

Lord. Of. The. Rings.

I use CG in my films.

I wish I could wave a magic wand and wish all of you to a different earth. It's super annoying being around so many negative folks all the time.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #422
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #355

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> LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)

You're a Google search away from fact checking me if you want to do that. I'm a DevOps engineer, not a C suite guy, but I tend to agree with you in general. I think there is a lot of smoke being blown into the hive around this technology but having used it extensively, and having witnessed its progression first hand in engineering, these tools are insanely useful and have made giant leaps forward in just ~4 years. Do…

No offense, but your post reads like LLM psychosis. Mostly because you failed to understand my post at all and rushed in to defend AI's honor. (Why? I don't think AI wants or needs your oaths of loyalty.)

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Post by tavavex »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #465
tavavex wrote: post #383

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The problem of low-quality software is a problem of people and organisations, not tooling. It's not like writing good software is harder today than it was before. The biggest players just learned to optimize away every shred of 'excess' usability if it meant they got to save a few cents. AI doesn't change this. The people who already cared about quality will continue producing quality software. But when you make prod…

> It's not like writing good software is harder today than it was before. Correct it is not, but there was also some better tooling and frameworks before. We used to have RAD native tooling, now we have... Electron.

Yes, and there is still good tooling now, you don't have to use Electron. The reason why many companies use bad tooling or bad practices was provided in the sentence immediately after the one that you've quoted. When tech was new, companies needed to gain customers and engineers were on longer leashes, so making reliable and high-quality software was paramount. Now that everyone has to use computers, they refocused on extracting more money from what they already had by taking shortcuts, cutting dev teams and letting profit motives always take the driver's seat. But you can still write good software. Arguably, it's the easiest it has ever been.

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Post by PotatoPrime »

elpocko wrote: post #64
mrbungie wrote: post #9

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AI as a tech is fine. But disliking it and the social/economic effects around it is fine too, people should be allowed to feel however they want to feel about certain techs and situations. To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in.

> To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in. Funny that AI is the breaking point here instead of things that actually matter. It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues.

Could you give an example of an issue we tell people to suck it up about? I'd like to think a reasonable society would hear the worries and complaints of everyone within it.

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Post by wffurr »

echelon wrote: post #494
dml2135 wrote: post #363

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You give examples of transitions that happened, but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. It is not self-evident that a change in technology is necessarily an improvement.

> but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. Are you kidding? > Cars I make weekend trips to the beach and mountains. I can have a nice big house and drive around the metro and visit all kinds of places. I take my family and my dogs with me. > Internet The best thing in the entire world. The highlight of my life. My career, my entertainment, how I met my wife. I don't know what you'…

>> Holy shit, dude. Are you kidding with me?

Absolutely not. I'd take it on a case-by-case basis, but cars, the internet, and film CG at the very least are not purely improvements to the world.

Many cities, especially in the US but elsewhere too, have been effectively destroyed as places for people by changing to accommodate cars.

The internet democratized publishing and connected people like never before, including the cranks and nazis.

CGI: Star Wars prequels. Ian McKellen crying on a green screen set.

Heck as I sit here and type this out, I even have a take on DAWs and digital photos. DAWs have made for a lot of soulless music based on loops and samples instead of actual musicians playing. Digital photos have created an enormous mountain of images that we can only sort through with AI now; it's totally devalued any particular photograph to worthlessness.

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Post by Jtarii »

embracethenoid wrote: post #274
Jtarii wrote: post #147

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Humans will not flourish if you remove their jobs, they will become violent criminals because they will have nothing else to fill their days and no purpose in their community. People may hate their job, but they will hate being unemployed way more.

This is why rich inheritors usually become violent criminals. No jobs.

Ah yes, the children of the ultra wealthy, famously mentally stable individuals.

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Post by dandaka »

thrw045 wrote: post #269
dandaka wrote: post #204

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It is called 'jagged intelligence'. A lot progress was made in the last 2 years. Most notably reasoning models, tools use, harness progress. It takes time to build the skill to make those models useful, but they do provide a lot of value.

Ah yeah jagged intelligence is the perfect phrase for it. I do also get some value from them, both in coding and in images. I find it the least usable for information primarily because of the hallucination problem. I still do use it for that purpose but it's kind of annoying when it writes something that's wrong, and I find it out from a Google search later.

You are cooking them wrong. You absolutely must ask the model to do grounding work — search online, search in your files, cross-check with different agents. They are universal reasoning engines, not a fact recalling tool.

Check my 'deep research' skill, you will get the idea

https://github.com/dandaka/skills/blob/main/deep-research/SK...

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