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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by JoshTriplett »

account42 wrote: post #490
JoshTriplett wrote: post #489

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The USPS literally has a paid service to deliver bulk mail to every address in an area.

And if the law was working correctly that would mean free money for the whole area and a bankrupt sender.

You seem to be suggesting that you're going to successfully fine a postal spam sender for using a paid service offered by the USPS to do the thing that service was designed to do. If the "law was working correctly", that service would stop existing, rather than existing and then incurring fines when used.

There are some limited mechanisms for opting out of targeted mail (e.g. things that have your name on them), and mechanisms for opting out of credit offers in particular. There are not any mechanisms for opting out of "current resident" spam sent to everyone in an area.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by croes »

Aurornis wrote: post #250
croes wrote: post #50

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To enter their phone number because you sent an SMS to them. So if there are any costs for sending this SMS it’s on you.

> So if there are any costs for sending this SMS it’s on you. It's a $0/month e-mail service. If the price of entry is a single text message, I think that's fair.

We both know they harvest the data and still they are too cheap to pay for the SMS

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by ColonelBlimp »

dakolli wrote: post #458
thebytefairy wrote: post #390

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This is not really an 'email service' the average person can be expected to use..

Then don't use it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You may want to read the Hacker News Guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

dotancohen wrote: post #468
redsocksfan45 wrote: post #297

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Every payday loan company, the "we buy houses for cash" companies, rent-to-own companies, title loan companies, the entire buy-now-pay-later ecosystem, the timeshare industry. Seriously dotancohen, get your people under control.

Who are "my people" that need to be got under control?

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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by ColonelBlimp »

AstroBen wrote: post #106

Register your own domain and use that for your email, and you'll no longer be held hostage by Google. Takes almost no effort and will cost you a few dollars a month.

While I agree with your suggestion (that's what I've doing for years), I'm not sure the "almost not effort" point is helpful or realistic when it comes to a huge majority of users.

Apart from people who are knowledgeable or at least curious enough to search for alternative options, I suspect many people don't even know what a domain is or that they could register one for them to use. The jump from "why pay for email if Gmail/Outlook is free?" to "register a personal domain and use it for your emails" is too big.

I don't have the ideal solution but what I've suggested to friends and relatives is they should consider paying for their personal email accounts. Most of them don't care but some do and, as a result, at least try to understand what they want or need and are willing to pay for.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by remus »

dotancohen wrote: post #245
remus wrote: post #107

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I feel like I must be using a different gogole workspace. I've used it every day for the last 10 years and just don't seem to have these issues? Stuff just seems to work for the most part? It's all way more stable and low-admin than any other desktop software I've used at least!

Are you a home user or corporate? Do you maintain a deployment for multiple users?

Both

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by motbus3 »

WalterBright wrote: post #341
s1mplicissimus wrote: post #323

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I'd assume that you also never tried running your own email server and have the email actually delivered to a gmail address, then.

That did work for decades up until recently. It took me a bit to realize that google email recipients had stopped receiving my emails.

They basically force yourself to register to their service go allow your emails to be possibly analyzed. It takes dozens or hundreds of emails to warm up a single self hosted email account

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Post by expedition32 »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #440
vel0city wrote: post #400

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I've self-hosted email systems for businesses for nearly 20 years. I've actually had far easier times delivering to Gmail/Workspace clients than Outlook. Outlook constantly breaks strict DKIM with some of their protection scanning nonsense for emails that seem to get good deliverability almost everywhere else.

Exactly. Outlook is the main source of deliverability headaches.

Isn't that a good thing? I'm quite happy with Outlook filtering out trash.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by vel0city »

expedition32 wrote: post #498
BenjiWiebe wrote: post #440

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Exactly. Outlook is the main source of deliverability headaches.

Isn't that a good thing? I'm quite happy with Outlook filtering out trash.

No. It will do things when shuffling the email through its various scanner platforms that will make their systems think the original sender is outlook's systems. So then when their later downstream service looks at the email it's like "cool an email from Outlook, let's see if Outlook is allowed to send for this domain...hmm...seems like outlook isn't allowed to send and I'm supposed to reject emails coming from unapproved senders so rejected!"

The way it sometimes bounces emails around in their own systems lead to them sometimes mixing up who actually originally sent the message. This causes all kinds of problems and seems entirely unique to their crappy setup.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Post by vkou »

qsera wrote: post #466
donkyrf wrote: post #461

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right-wing ideologies are meant to augment concentrated wealth and power, which means there are incentives for the rich and powerful to create right-wing propaganda machines. left-wing ideologies are meant to create diffuse wealth and power, which means there's no incentive for individuals to create such propaganda machines. This is why there are enormous amounts of right-wing media, and almost no left-wing media in…

So all the media that Trump calls "Fake news" is not-left wing? > left-wing ideologies are meant to create diffuse wealth and power, which means there's no incentive for individuals to create such propaganda machines. Maybe this was true at some point. But I think today the left ideologies are used largely as a front, by the people who just want to "augment concentrated wealth and power". I think these are the truly…

You speak as if Stalinism and the Great Leap Forward are anywhere near the Overton window for mainstream left media discourse.

When in reality it's too busy trying to outdo itself on how hard it is willing to sanewash and give an equal platform to truly insane far-right-authoritarian bullshit.

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