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Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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Post by hparadiz »

userbinator wrote: post #429
hparadiz wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Local AI is not ready" > proceeds to run a 7 year old budget GPU You're like the kid showing up to a test without a pencil. It's ridiculous for you to suggest that an advanced AI model needs to run on your budget 7 year old graphics card that is already out of date for even today's gaming. My parents spent $2500 on a computer in 1995 and that was a 166Mhz Pentium 1. If they spent that money today it would be $5261.…

If you want AI image generation and are willing to wait a little longer, you don't even need a GPU: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32642255

I've played with SD plenty. CPU even becomes manageable at low resolutions. But uh CPU/GPU is starting to blur now with these new AMD inference CPUs with built in GPUs. And ARM based machines like Macs. I wish more people on HN were using this stuff so we could have fun conversations about it instead of arguing over whether or not we should even be using these tools.

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Post by preisschild »

jstrebel wrote: post #478

Banking apps are the deal-breaker for me. I only do business with banks that offer alternative ways of securing transactions e.g. eTan / ChipTAN / PhotoTAN with a separate reader / generator (see https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Verbraucherinnen-und-Verbr... ). This is probably a pretty European thing to do, but at least it avoids being locked in and being tracked.

I did that too (in Austria) for a long time. Fortunately my Bank (Erste Bank / Sparkasse) fully (almost fully, no nfc pay, since it depends on GPay) supports GrapheneOS now

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Post by preisschild »

deaux wrote: post #395
cyanydeez wrote: post #172

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It's also an attempt to keep various malefactors such as America, Russia, Israel, China, etc out off the propaganda efforts driving a large amount of far right nationalists into violent uprising.

No, it's not. The biggest foreign actors driving far right nationalism are people like Rupert Murdoch, Andrew Tate and going forwards potentially Jeff Bezos. Murdoch has been the single biggest driver for decades. If they would truly be interested in stopping foreign propaganda they'd go after them instead. It's especially ironic to name China when the whole reason the US bought TikTok is because it showed people the…

You might not be from Europe then. Russia is the primary threat. They are funding extremist political movements. They are also conducting sabotage and espionage operations inside the EU.

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Post by loup-vaillant »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #386

I always say this when this topic comes up: remote attestation will be how our computing freedom dies. They've made it so that it doesn't even matter if they allow you to install whatever you want. Anything that isn't corporate owned is banned. Own your device? You "tampered" with it. You're banned. From everything. You're ostracized from digital society. You're not even a citizen, much less a second class citizen. E…

> these developments still fill me with a terrible sadness.

I wish they filled you with anger instead. It’s not too late. You’re not alone.

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Post by fransje26 »

safety1st wrote: post #432
matheusmoreira wrote: post #386

I always say this when this topic comes up: remote attestation will be how our computing freedom dies. They've made it so that it doesn't even matter if they allow you to install whatever you want. Anything that isn't corporate owned is banned. Own your device? You "tampered" with it. You're banned. From everything. You're ostracized from digital society. You're not even a citizen, much less a second class citizen. E…

While I agree, I think there's a better way to frame this with the public. We don't need to bring in pedo references. That looks very unhinged to most people. There's already a lot of support out there, in both public opinion and the law, for the idea that if I pay for something physical like a device, I own it. Any substantial alteration in its functionality, especially a reduction in what it can do, requires my con…

> We don't need to bring in pedo references. That looks very unhinged to most people.

Sorry for how you may feel about it, but that *is* how it's being framed for the public..

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/eu-parliament...

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Post by avaer »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #386

I always say this when this topic comes up: remote attestation will be how our computing freedom dies. They've made it so that it doesn't even matter if they allow you to install whatever you want. Anything that isn't corporate owned is banned. Own your device? You "tampered" with it. You're banned. From everything. You're ostracized from digital society. You're not even a citizen, much less a second class citizen. E…

The most dangerous thing in computing is safety.

"Secure" is great. But when you hear "safe", that means there is some corp in the shadows predating on you because . They decide what safe means, not you. They will abuse you to no end while keeping you "safe".

That's why companies always remove the features that keep you "secure" and give you ones to keep you "safe".

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Post by preisschild »

miohtama wrote: post #56

The EU Digital (identity) Wallet EUDI requires hardware attestation by Google or Apple, effectively tying all the digital EU identities to American duopoly. Talk about digital sovereignity. Apparently protecting the children > sovereignity. https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/eudi-wallet/wallet-developmen...

AFAIK this is not true. The Austrian eID also works on GrapheneOS (with an initial warning). Its some national implementations (such as the German one you linked) that enforce this.

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Post by rdevilla »

fransje26 wrote: post #495
safety1st wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree, I think there's a better way to frame this with the public. We don't need to bring in pedo references. That looks very unhinged to most people. There's already a lot of support out there, in both public opinion and the law, for the idea that if I pay for something physical like a device, I own it. Any substantial alteration in its functionality, especially a reduction in what it can do, requires my con…

> We don't need to bring in pedo references. That looks very unhinged to most people. Sorry for how you may feel about it, but that *is* how it's being framed for the public.. https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/eu-parliament...

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Post by puilp0502 »

> Google defines certification requirements for Android which includes forcing bundling Google Chrome, etc.

Isn't this a textbook case of an antitrust lawsuit? Y'know, with the whole ordeal with Windows/IE, I assume the court would find this as blatantly anticompetitive behavior.

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