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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

fasterik wrote: post #345
gchamonlive wrote: post #322

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Can you tell me an instance where users got locked into a dying ecosystem in Linux? What I can tell you is that CentOS, which was used extensively in servers, died and you didn't really see much issue, at least not as much as compared to the pain and suffering users are having to go through now that Windows is the dying place. What's lazy is the repetition of this realist fallacy of the technical lockin, when in fact…

There are several software packages that are essentially mandatory if you want to run a modern distro with good desktop hardware support. Some that come to mind are glibc, systemd, and Wayland. These projects have made controversial design decisions which impact the entire ecosystem of Linux software. I actually did leave Ubuntu because background Snap updates were randomly crashing running applications. Now, I'm fai…

> There are several software packages that are essentially mandatory if you want to run a modern distro with good desktop hardware support. Some that come to mind are glibc, systemd, and Wayland.

I run Gentoo on one machine and Alpine on several. I promise, none of those are required.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by jms703 »

sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

This exact problem was the last straw for me and pushed me to Linux on my desktop. Haven't looked back.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by MiddleEndian »

k4rnaj1k wrote: post #114
sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

There are ways of changing a lot of the shortcuts on Linux to be the same. And a lot of the default KDE shortcuts are similar to windows' ones iirc.

Yeah I've found modern KDE's shortcuts are not only similar to the best parts of Windows, but also slightly better (Win arrow keys reposition without doing minimize/maximize, only win pgdn/pgup minimize/maximize) so I can move shit around more fearlessly.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by MiddleEndian »

ethbr1 wrote: post #309
embedding-shape wrote: post #122

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Good luck with that. I have a Windows computer I sometimes have to run stuff on overnight, like renders or what not. I've disabled everything I can related to Windows Update, plus setting "Active hours" or what not, so the computer doesn't reboot because of updates in the middle of the night. Today I woke up, went to check the progress and wouldn't you know, Windows Update updated the computer and rebooted, and what…

Windows power / restart has gotten absolutely fucked in the last 10 years. Hibernate? Gone by default. Sleep? Ineffective 1/2 the time because a Microsoft utility force-wakes it. It's sad that 15 year old Windows system was more usable than one today.

Close Windows laptop and leave it on desk, open in morning... 50/50 chance:

1. Laptop has most of its battery life still because it slept successfully and predictably

2. Laptop drained battery to 5% and only then slept

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by MiddleEndian »

analogpixel wrote: post #332
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

> as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. The perfect OS/Desktop is one you don't even notice, or know is there; it just works. Macos used to be invisible, but then then some ego-driven developer decided to push Apple Glass on to everyone. HEY LOOK HOW COOL I AM! Although at the rate of LLM improvement, I'm thinking the Next big os, will just be a really good API (…

Mac OS used to have the benefit of a more native application philosophy. So even though the OS got out of your way, all the applications felt unified and consistent with each other.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by smackeyacky »

noosphr wrote: post #274
codedokode wrote: post #266

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Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. To quote CS Lewis: >Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torme…

How ironic. Reactionary old fart mostly known for writing moralistic children’s novels wants you not to listen to moralistic crusaders. I shall take his advice.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by mdavid626 »

p_ing wrote: post #328
mdavid626 wrote: post #183

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I never said they are. I just stated, they are better than Windows Terminal.

It's because iTerm2 incorporates AI in it, amirite? ;-)

Not sure what you mean. I’ve never used any AI features in a terminal.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by kasabali »

p_ing wrote: post #430
kasabali wrote: post #385

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> You won't find that level of stability in Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows 7. Nice try but you won't deceive any attentive readers. Everything you've told in that paragraph was applicable to Windows 7, it had all the stability and none of the user hostility of later versions.

I think you strung together a bunch of words that don't jive with real world experiences. Windows 7 still had some fundamental kernel quality issues. WDDM 1.1 wasn't mature to the point of providing a stable experience across the board and vendors were still adapting to the WDDM model; kernel mode printer drivers were still common, both a stability and security knock for those older versions of Windows. So no, Window…

> I think you strung together a bunch of words that don't jive with real world experiences.

I know the real world experience I've had, thank you very much.

> Windows 7 still had some fundamental kernel quality issues.

No it didn't, it was solid as a rock.

> WDDM 1.1 wasn't mature to the point of providing a stable experience across the board and vendors were still adapting to the WDDM model;

Display drivers adapted by the time Vista SP2 was released, and 7 was a solid release from start without even needing a SP.

> kernel mode printer drivers were still common, both a stability and security knock for those older versions of Windows.

First time I've heard a printer driver crashing the system, are you sure you're not making it up? ( print queue hanging is annoying but it isn't a BSOD)

> So no, Windows 7 did not have "all of the stability" of Windows 10 or 11

Okay I give up, Windows 11 is the bestest release, Satya is the broest tech CEO and you're the number 1 fan boy

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by kajman »

w4rh4wk5 wrote: post #198
theandrewbailey wrote: post #120

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> Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Yes: DirectX. Just make sure that it runs in Wine or Proton. Nit: DirectX is a bunch of APIs and libraries, not a language. Same for Wine and Proton.

DXVK works great for DirectX 11. However, it's rather annoying to debug through this intermediate layer. I wouldn't recommend this for development.

Sure is nice as a user. I get better frames in some games than Windows users do!

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by benhurmarcel »

advael wrote: post #10

It fascinates me to speculate about who this is for. At least among people I've talked to, the ones who still want windows (instead of the obvious alternatives) cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job" or similar. I personally don't think these preferences reflect the reality of how much effort using e.g. a linux distro is in this day an…

> cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job"

I feel this way, yet I've used Linux on the desktop for a decade before, even selecting my hardware for compatibility. Yet even when using "stable" distros like Ubuntu, it did require maintenance regularly. With more hyped distros like Arch it was constant. Sure I was always able to fix it, but I had to do it.

I installed Windows back when I started having kids. I just don't have the time and mental space anymore to dedicate to fixing the OS regularly. I need to be able to let updates happen and not wonder whether I need to have 20 minutes free afterwards to fix something.

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