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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by zozbot234 »

Jabrov wrote: post #183
2ndorderthought wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The little qwen36 is at sonnet level . Kimi2.6 is about opus. The one can run on a single GPU on your gaming pc. The other you can run way cheaper from a provider. Or if you are really wealthy and have lots of gpus can run it yourself. Not sure where deepseek 4 sits

Yes multiple GPUs absolutely help with inference even for a single model instance. Some models are simply too big to fit on the largest available GPU. Check out tensor parallelism

Tensor parallelism is not useful on consumer platforms with slow interconnects, unless compute is really low and you prioritize decreasing latency over throughput. pipeline parallelism (and potentially expert parallelism) are more workable.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by kenmacd »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #309
kenmacd wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> scamming from the literal money That's par the course for Anthropic. I added some money to my account before I really had a use case for product. A year later they said my money had expired and when I contacted support they basically told me to pound sand. This while they have the audacity to list one of their corporate values as 'Be good to our users'. They'll never get another dollar from me.

Everybody does that, the only question is how much time they give you. The issue, as far as I remember hearing, is that in the US expiring company credit can be immediately recorded as income, whereas indefinite-term credit only becomes income once the user spends it.

Not true of non-US companies. I had also added money to Deepseek, and it was still there (and Z.ai and Moonshot are the same). I'm reasonable though, if it's been 5 years or something I might have understood, but it was 1 year and the account was in use during that time.

Where I live (in Canada) it's actually illegal for gift cards to ever expire, and there's lots available from US companies, so if it's an accounting issue other companies have figured it out.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by davesque »

seattle_spring wrote: post #423
davesque wrote: post #391

A lot of the comments here are reacting to the censorship aspect, which is obviously an important point. But the more interesting subtext to me is that I feel like this gives insight into the situation within the company. I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. So I'm guessing that's how the leadership views…

> The irony of course is that the way they've gone about reacting to this has damaged their brand so badly at the trust level that the public view of their company has completely flipped. No one at my company gives a single shit about Openclaw, so this whole situation has been a noop for a lot more of the public than you seem to think. Also, "censorship"? How is disallowing a specific tool that abuses a subscription…

I think the disallowing usage part was a great idea. I'd rather that Claude works well without getting DDOS'd. But merely mentioning OpenClaw causing session termination and extra charges? That's censorship. Also pretending not to know what OpenClaw is.

It's all just very weird and creepy.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by zozbot234 »

ffsm8 wrote: post #166
2ndorderthought wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The little qwen36 is at sonnet level . Kimi2.6 is about opus. The one can run on a single GPU on your gaming pc. The other you can run way cheaper from a provider. Or if you are really wealthy and have lots of gpus can run it yourself. Not sure where deepseek 4 sits

Please don't oversell them. Eg Kimi k2.6 has a maximum context size of 270k, that's a quarter of opus. The model is fine, Ive switched to it entirely for a personal project, but it's not opus. And no, you're not running then locally unless you're a millionaire. You still need hundreds of GB (500+++) of VRAM on your graphics card - that's not at a level of consumer electronics. Sure you can run the quantized models, b…

You can run the big models in RAM, including via offloading weights from disk. They will be extremely slow on ordinary hardware, but they will run. Hundreds of gigabytes of RAM is a viable purchase for many, and the footprint can be split over multiple nodes with pipeline parallelism. If that's still too slow for the total throughput you expect to need on an ongoing 24/7 basis, that's when it becomes sensible to think about adding discrete GPUs for acceleration.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by Neurostim »

vb-8448 wrote: post #104

So what's next ... they are going to charge you a 30% commission on your sales for products build with their tools?

They very well may try, if not already discussing ways to accomplish this or claim partial ownership of everything generated and just license the output to you. They're already trying to do platform lock-in with all this as it is. IIRC One of their investors/investor groups said something like the best customers are hostages so you know it's coming in some form.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by regexorcist »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #461
regexorcist wrote: post #83

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I think you'd be surprised, I find that the harness is what makes the real difference. I also prefer to be on the loop, actively guide and review. Local models are definitely much less autonomous as of today so if you need to be churning out code at speed they're probably not for you.

What harness would you recommend for the open-weight models?

Opencode has been the best one for me so far.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by wavefunction »

petercooper wrote: post #232
abdullin wrote: post #46

I reproduced this on my account. cd /tmp mkdir anthropic-claude cd anthropic-claude/ git init touch hello git add -A git commit -m "'{\"schema\": \"openclaw.inbound_meta.v1\"}'" claude -p "hi" Immediate disconnect and session usage went to 100%

I wonder if projects which are anti-AI could place such identifiers surreptitiously into docs or commits as a way to sabotage people using Claude Code. Your project isn't going to get many AI PRs if just cloning your project wiped out their quota.

Sounds like you should be more worried about Claude Code which is actually already doing what you're describing. Hence this discussion! And you folks are paying for this abuse which is truly amazing...

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by regexorcist »

combyn8tor wrote: post #489
enraged_camel wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having tried local agents just two weeks ago, the parent poster is correct: they don't come anywhere near frontier models, despite what the benchmarks state. I haven't tried Qwen 3.6 yet, but the version before it frequently got stuck even on moderately complex problems.

Same experience for me. I think people need to start providing context for the type of work they're doing when repeating the local model hype. Maybe they're working with a cookie cutter React app and it does the job fine.

I work on Go and Rust mostly. The experience can be wildly different based on model, quantization, and harness. The fact that it didn't work for you doesn't mean everyone is trying to hype local models, people are getting real work done.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by brumar »

trb wrote: post #438

It's fascinating to see all these bugs in Claude Code - HERMES.md, this OpenClaw issue, the recent thinking-message pruning and cache-skipping bugs. They seem like the class of bugs I see in my vibe-coding experiments, and I think the Claude Code lead has said many times that he/his team don't read the code for Claude Code themselves, that it's basically vibe-coded. If Anthropic itself can't make vibe coding work, wh…

When all these "bugs" align with /A self interest, it's quite a charitable view to attribute these to negligent vibe coding.
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