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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by progmetaldev »

Meekro wrote: post #44

I really want to like Zed because they've clearly put so much work into it, but so far I've been sticking with Sublime. I have several large PHP projects that were started in the 2010-2020 era, and Zed will highlight and complain about all sorts of minor things that were standard PHP fare at the time: functions without return types, for example. My code (which works fine) looks like an ocean of red when I view it wit…

I've worked with mostly PHP from this era, or at least developers that are from this era. The code still runs fine, and not having things like return types don't make the code less able to run (just not as easy to catch bugs).

I haven't used Zed, but can you choose the PHP version, or point to a PHP executable for warnings/errors? I know in VS Code, you point to the PHP executable for the version you are using, to catch errors. I haven't created a new PHP project in quite some time, but I did work on many older PHP projects, and never had this issue with VS Code. I suspect even if you don't go about it this way, there has to be configuration to specify what is and isn't an error vs. warning.

Re: Zed 1.0

#492

Post by OccamsMirror »

ricardobeat wrote: post #471
coldtea wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is phenomenal and novel about Zed? I've tried it a couple of times for a week or so, didn't see the point, and moved on every time. And I'm not luddite swearing by vi or something, I use VSCode and Idea, and have used Sublime for many years, Xcode on/off for some Obj-C/Swift dev, Eclipse for 5-6 years in the 2000s, and vim for everything cli/lightweight since forever. Is the GUI tech what's supposed to b…

Currently on this machine: using 900MB of RAM, including all language servers, with nine open projects - that is pretty phenomenal. VSCode could barely keep one open with the same memory. The perception of 'fast' is very subjective. To me having a smooth, jitter-free UI, low input latency, and instant startup, all matter a lot.

My experience with Zed differed. On Linux I found it to be very memory hungry.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by piskov »

Could anyone tell me what’s the point of this when you have neovim?

This will never be an IDE like Jetbrains Rider if you use a language like C# where those guys excel at: sheer volume of refactorings, static and dynamic analysis, cpu and memory analysis, what have you.

And for a scratchpad: is this really better than neovim?

Re: Zed 1.0

#494

Post by yobid20 »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

wouldn't touch this editor with a 10 foot pole. no i am not giving them the rights to use my code for their product. hell no. thanks for highlighting this. people need to making a bigger deal about it. maybe they will rethink their tos.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by marshray »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #419
jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Can't you just build the source and run it without giving them any information? Or does the editor itself require information and phone home while running?

Initializing the http client is one of the very first things this text editor does in "app.run()": https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/a7c9c24f40d7e9169... Line 497 suggests it fails without it.

There are hundreds of references to http requests in the source tree, though most seem associated with calling particular AI model providers.

This looks to be the telemetry struct: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/a7c9c24f40d7e9169...

It appears to crawl your worktrees collecting an inventory of the types of projects you have and is interested in certain named files specificaly: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/a7c9c24f40d7e9169...

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by dhosek »

DangitBobby wrote: post #414
wiseowise wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JetBrains should really start investing into porting to Rust/C++ over their bootleg Java.

Seriously. I love the IDE but given that my idle workload of Electron apps and Docker Desktop VM brings my discretionary allotment of RAM down from 32GB to 8GB, I have absolutely no headroom when running JetBrains IDEs so I keep them closed unless there's a specific feature I want.

What OS are you running? I currently have three Jetbrains IDEs open on my MacBook (M3 Max/36GB) and don’t notice any issue (although I don’t have any electron apps running which probably helps).

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by Andrex »

mandeepj wrote: post #413
jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

wait, there's more [copied from the top comment of their youtube video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Bns1T77HM )] - 1. Mandatory arbitration by default. You waive your right to a jury trial and cannot join class action lawsuits. You have only 30 days to opt out after agreeing to the terms. 2. 1-year statute of limitations. You must file any legal claim within one year, which is much shorter than the default per…

Why does a text editor have such a defensive license? This is extreme and reckless levels of paranoia.

Zed devs reading this: just release it as GPL. It will be better for literally everyone.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by nextaccountic »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Is Zed open source or not?

If it's open source it can't have a license agreement to use the software itself

Or is this an agreement to use some cloud service? Supposedly you can opt to not use it

Elsewhere people said that "even if you disable telemetry, Zed can still collect telemetry" but, it being open source means you're still in control

No open source license can force you to run misfeatures

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by gamander »

An editor that sends all your input to the U.S. and consumes 50% of your CPU while idle, and still gets praised to high heaven. We truly live in the age of enshittification.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by Razengan »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Oh no.. fuck them, not this shit again..

With AI being so good why isn't someone making fully open source alternatives to all this crap by now?

Oh Zed is open source, maybe Codex/Claude can make a VSCodium-like fork off it?

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