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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by sveme »

legitster wrote: post #77

> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…

It was already a thing back when I was doing compulsory service (end of the nineties), but no one cared and no one was ever asked for it.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by RandomLensman »

einpoklum wrote: post #485
RandomLensman wrote: post #446

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Germany participated how there?

Germany participated in the NATO military campaign/occupation of Afghanistan, including ground forces, naval activities and special operations units. Its seems a total of 150,000 German soldiers (and police officers?) were deployed overall (not at the same time of course); of them, 62 were killed and 249 wounded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties... Germany was also directly involved in the…

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam? Hosting US forces in Germany is participating?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by sveme »

vasac wrote: post #465
watwut wrote: post #441

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They dont need now. Germany is getting ready for being invaded by Russia, basically. They are also building mandatory military service.

Yes, the previous time they were getting ready it was because those pesky Poles being an inch away from invading the Third Reich.

Are you implying that this is Germany getting ready to invade Poland?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by samus »

watwut wrote: post #450
frodowtf2 wrote: post #429

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Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

Germany was one of the least militarized countries after WWII. They were kind of scared of themselves.

Quite the contrary; up until the end of the Cold War both German states were highly militarized. They were quite happy to be able to roll back a lot of it after the reunification though.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by RandomLensman »

t-3 wrote: post #488
RandomLensman wrote: post #444

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The Army of the United States has also not been used in over 50 years,but does that mean it couldn't be used again?

Can I move to whichever dimension it is you live in?

? The United States Army is something different...

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by mr_toad »

braabe wrote: post #297
lokar wrote: post #204

A tangent, but I’m interested (as an American) what is the German attitude towards laws that have no enforcement or penalty? Do most people feel an obligation to observe them? Is there any social cost for disregarding them?

I think it varies. I suspect in most common cases the lack of enforcement results from the rest of society not having an appetite to punish it. No harm done, no need to punish. I believe jaywalking (or crossing a red light as a pedestrian) is prohibited, but you would have to do it in front of a really motivated cop (or cause an accident) to actually get a ticket for it. It is common and no one really cares - but if…

Jaywalking is illegal is many jurisdictions, partly for pedestrians own safety, but also partly to shift the blame if a pedestrian is involved in an accident. So it’s mostly seen as a crime where people only hurt themselves.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by ksherlock »

fhdkweig wrote: post #327
lazide wrote: post #99

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Ah, invasive extra paperwork (enforced by criminal penalties, at least in theory) for something they say on the surface they won’t actually need. So very german (hah)

In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

I don't know how it worked for anyone else, but I remember the selective service PSA ads when I was growing up -- (that's a manual emdash) If you don't sign up for selective service when you turn 18, you'll be celebrating your birthday at pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison. Or maybe you couldn't get a welfare check, college loan, or federal job. The details are a bit fuzzy.

Then a month or two before my 18th birthday, I got a postcard saying I had been auto-registered. It was a rather disappointing denouement.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by selfmodruntime »

dataviz1000 wrote: post #220
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question. When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their co…

No. It is not about Ability. Feminism may fight for ability, but conscription is a Requirement. You're not free to choose. That's the entire point.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by sixhobbits »

Longhanks wrote: post #469
chromacity wrote: post #412

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It's a meaningless, feel-good rule. Every country has countless carve-outs. To give you a trivial example: in the US, you can't get a passport if you owe more than $2,500 in child support.

Whilst I agree, to be fair, a passport is usually only needed when entering a country, not leaving one, right? Under the cited rule, the US needs to allow you to leave , not help you in entering some other country.

It is quite difficult to leave a country without simultaneously entering another
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